 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Underplay
Re: Usenet + Encryption / Private BitTorrent So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Please go to work and tell your boss you will now work for free so their customers can get free shit. Of course I am assuming you actually have a job. |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
South Williamson, KY | reply to BF69
Re: Usenet + Encryption / Private BitTorrent when you get right down to it... this country was made possibly by forcing black people to build it for us for free |
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jcp
join:2002-04-12
Richmond, VA
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1 edit | the civil war was over in 1865, black people have been free since to do as they please. no one forced them to lay fiber in the ground let alone build this country from what it was almost 150 years ago. so that really is kinda a moot point in this conversation |
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join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | reply to BF69
said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Please go to work and tell your boss you will now work for free so their customers can get free shit. Of course I am assuming you actually have a job. P2P != piracy.
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| That is true but has anyone gotten a DMCA warning for legal P2P? I'm sure a few people have gotten them mistakenly, but by far the majority of warning letters have been for illegally distributing copyrighted material. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Please go to work and tell your boss you will now work for free so their customers can get free shit. Of course I am assuming you actually have a job. P2P != piracy. Did I say that? No. But downloading a torrent of movie is. Yes yes no one ever pirates movies, music and TV shows. All people do on p2p is download ISOs of Linux. |
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GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | said by BF69:Did I say that? No. But downloading a torrent of movie is. Yes yes no one ever pirates movies, music and TV shows. All people do on p2p is download ISOs of Linux. Downloading a .torrent file is not illegal.
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to BF69
said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Nope. It's paying for stuff and then actually having a say in how you use it. It's like trying to bring balance back between corporate and consumer interests, instead of having it tilted all the way over to their end.
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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Tulsa, OK | reply to zipjay
said by zipjay:when you get right down to it... this country was made possibly by forcing black people to build it for us for free Really. Nice history /fail.
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said by Gbcue:said by BF69:Did I say that? No. But downloading a torrent of movie is. Yes yes no one ever pirates movies, music and TV shows. All people do on p2p is download ISOs of Linux. Downloading a .torrent file is not illegal. Reading a book on how to rob a bank isn't illegal either. |
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said by KrK:said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Nope. It's paying for stuff and then actually having a say in how you use it. It's like trying to bring balance back between corporate and consumer interests, instead of having it tilted all the way over to their end. I'd wager that a majority of the people who are talking about freedom, P2P and peerguardian, didn't buy anything they are talking about. |
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join:2009-11-23 | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:said by Gbcue:said by BF69:Did I say that? No. But downloading a torrent of movie is. Yes yes no one ever pirates movies, music and TV shows. All people do on p2p is download ISOs of Linux. Downloading a .torrent file is not illegal. Reading a book on how to rob a bank isn't illegal either. Yet the RIAA sues to try and close the library. |
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People still watch TV? said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Please go to work and tell your boss you will now work for free so their customers can get free shit. Of course I am assuming you actually have a job. Actually yea I do have a job, that is legal as well, and I'm self employed, no boss here. Oh yea, I'm also a programmer. What are you trying to proof? Im downloading a 4.3 GB file through usenet's 256bit encryption and there aint shit nobody can do about it because it's my right. What you people don't get is that you cant stop evolution, you can only slow it down, obviously your brainwashed into thinking sharing virtual information that has no phsyical value is illegal, you probably also support the DEA and the war on drugs aswell dont you.
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 thenderScreen tycoonPremium
join:2009-01-01
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: Usenet + Encryption / Private BitTorrent said by Z80A:Yet the RIAA sues to try and close the library. There are libraries with millions of fictional and nonfictional materials, many of which are educational.
Then there are libraries whose purpose, 99.9% of the time, is to index where to find copyrighted material to obtain freely.
There's a difference. It's a loophole in the law that is getting closer to closed every year.
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Re: People still watch TV? said by Underplay:said by BF69:So freedom is not paying for stuff you should? Please go to work and tell your boss you will now work for free so their customers can get free shit. Of course I am assuming you actually have a job. Actually yea I do have a job, that is legal as well, and I'm self employed, no boss here. Oh yea, I'm also a programmer. What are you trying to proof? Im downloading a 4.3 GB file through usenet's 256bit encryption and there aint shit nobody can do about it because it's my right. What you people don't get is that you cant stop evolution, you can only slow it down, obviously your brainwashed into thinking sharing virtual information that has no phsyical value is illegal, you probably also support the DEA and the war on drugs aswell dont you. I can't wait for all the old people and there old views to just die out. Bullshit. And if by some chance all of that is correct, then I assume you don't mind if other people steal your work and never pay for it, putting you on the street?
You are either lying or a fool who doesn't understand how life works.
Anybody who is self employed and has even AN IDEA of how bills work wouldn't be messing around with putting bread on the table. Esp. not in this economy.
Btw, it's 'prove', not proof. Not to mention the countless other spelling errors. What software do you make by chance? Hacks modifications for games, Stuff on /b/ in your parents basement? Because a person with your ability to type wouldn't be able to sell anything reasonable. |
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bsoft
join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | reply to BF69
Re: Usenet + Encryption / Private BitTorrent Freedom is the right to defend yourself, including the right to a trial (in most instances) if you are accused of breaking the law.
Yes, Verizon is a private company, and yes, they can cut you off for practically any reason (the TOS you agreed to says so). Verizon is acting fully within the law.
However, there's something profoundly un-free about the fact that powerful media organizations with no oversight (the RIAA and MPAA, among others) now apparently have the ability to get your Internet service cut off.
It's one thing to sue people who are pirating movies or music. It may not be the best PR or business move, and I don't agree with the exorbitant damages, but it least it gives the accused a chance to defend themselves.
The "new" process, where your ISP cuts you off, doesn't give you the chance to invoke discovery to research the process used to evidence against you, it doesn't give you the chance to call expert witnesses that might be able to exonerate you, and it doesn't give you the chance to have your case heard by a jury of your peers.
Verizon basically is saying that they can be judge, jury, and executioner. Legally, they are well within their rights.
Does it infringe on your freedom? Absolutely. It infringes on your right to due process. |
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