 manfmmdPremium
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1 edit | Well Karl.... Once illegal "P2P" traffic drops below, let's throw 50% out there, AND total bittorrent traffic falls below the 20%-60% of ALL internet traffic (estimations widely vary) down to under 5%, then you might have a point..Until then, the VAST majority of "P2P" traffic consists of copyrighted content/intellectual property. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have articles such as these:
»www.bukisa.com/articles/209904_m···ng-legal
»torrentfreak.com/50-percent-bitt···-080214/
Let me add a requirement for the whole "you might have a point"...Once sites like TPB, Torrentz, ISOHunt, etc. have their Top 100 (or whatever) lists not being DOMINATED by protected content, THEN you will have a point...
Until then, you're just being intellectually dishonest.
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| I don't see where I deny that the majority of P2P use isn't dominated by copyrighted content. I have no reason to deny it. It's true.
My point is simply that terminating people's Internet connections based on a simple claim of a copyright holder shadow intelligence operation isn't sound policy... |
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| said by Karl Bode:My point is simply that terminating people's Internet connections based on a simple claim of a copyright holder shadow intelligence operation isn't sound policy... How isn't it sound policy? You agree to the terms of service when you sign up. Violate the terms of service and byeeeeee.
ISPs are in fact being generous by giving 3 strikes. It's not like you're going to jail or anything, just having your internet disconnected. |
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North Little Rock, AR | You going to feel the same when you loose your Internet access terminated based on a simple claim you did something wrong? Not proof you did something but a simple claim. That is what is wrong with this 3 strikes crap, no proof is needed just a claim. If you think DMCA warnings aren't sent to innocent people then your a bigger fool than you appear in this thread.
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bsoft
join:2004-03-28
Boulder, CO | reply to manfmmd
said by manfmmd:Once sites like TPB, Torrentz, ISOHunt, etc. have their Top 100 (or whatever) lists not being DOMINATED by protected content, THEN you will have a point... The problem is that you are focusing on sites that promote copyright infringement (some would argue that they induce copyright infringement).
When I download the latest Fedora or Ubuntu release, a WoW update, or a TAS video, I don't hit TPB or ISOHunt to get it. I get a torrent from Fedora or from Blizzard.
said by manfmmd:Until then, the VAST majority of "P2P" traffic consists of copyrighted content/intellectual property. Well, this is absolutely correct, but only because (at least in the US) works are copyrighted by default the instant that they are created. That means that pretty much everything is copyrighted.
The question is whether or not you are authorized to download, not whether the work is copyrighted. Ubuntu consists primarily of copyrighted software (with some exclusions like SQLite, which is public domain) but I can still download it without committing copyright infringement because the various open-source licenses that govern Ubuntu give me explicit authorization to do so. Similarly, World of Warcraft is a copyrighted work, yet I can download it legally from Blizzard using BitTorrent since I am authorized to do so.
said by manfmmd:Until then, you're just being intellectually dishonest. In 2005, SCOTUS introduced a new concept, "Inducement", which can create liability for the operator of a service or producer of a product if they operate it distribute it with the object of encouraging copyright infringement.
It can be compellingly argued that TPB (and other torrent sites) explicitly encourage copyright infringement, and are therefore illegal.
It is considerably more difficult to argue that P2P technologies (such as BitTorrent) encourage copyright infringement. BitTorrent clients, like web browsers, operating systems, and the Internet itself, merely facilitate copyright infringement. |
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fldiverPremium
join:1999-12-27
Jacksonville, FL | reply to fifty nine
Uhmm let's see, because my agreement was not with the RIAA or the MPAA. There are so many people that have drunk the KoolAid in this country, I think we are doomed. |
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