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baineschile
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Broadband Reports has learned that Verizon is neither booting people from the network for excessive use (common among carriers like Comcast or Qwest), nor have they booted any users who receive one too many DMCA letters.
I wouldnt consider people getting booted common. Both companies have claimed that less than 1% of users are affected, and most curb online behavior after 1 warning.

Kudos to VZ though for not playing internet cop.

edit: Curb*


Karl Bode
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I meant it's fairly common among carriers to boot users for excessive use, not that they actually do it all that often.


FFH5
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said by baineschile:

I wouldnt consider people getting booted common. Both companies have claimed that less than 1% of users are affected, and most curb online behavior after 1 warning.

Kudos to VZ though for not playing internet cop.
But by telling everyone that they are bluffing, the threat letters will lose their power to affect behavior. Sooner or later Verizon will have to actually stop bluffing and start tossing customers.
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reply to Karl Bode
What verizon mean is that you will be disconnected if you don't pay for broadband but not for p2p activity or excessive bandwidth usage?


Belinrahs
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said by FFH5:

But by telling everyone that they are bluffing, the threat letters will lose their power to affect behavior. Sooner or later Verizon will have to actually stop bluffing and start tossing customers.
Exactly. DSLR is a highly-visible site, and any customer faced with such a letter can use the power of Google and learn this. If the knowledge gets to be well-known enough, the MAFIAA's going to push Verizon to actually start terminating customers.

That's merely an ideal scenario though. (ideal for who? )
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said by jadebangle:

What verizon mean is that you will be disconnected if you don't pay for broadband but not for p2p activity or excessive bandwidth usage?
No. Karl's saying that it's fairly common for users to be booted for really excessive bandwidth usage (even though it rarely happens) - this has nothing to do with not paying your bill. Of course you'd get disconnected if you didn't pay, collections would be on your tail soon after anyhow.
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gatorkram
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

said by baineschile:

I wouldnt consider people getting booted common. Both companies have claimed that less than 1% of users are affected, and most curb online behavior after 1 warning.

Kudos to VZ though for not playing internet cop.
But by telling everyone that they are bluffing, the threat letters will lose their power to affect behavior. Sooner or later Verizon will have to actually stop bluffing and start tossing customers.
I am not aware of any laws, forcing V, or any other company to toss people off their networks, for excessive warnings. All they have to do, is pass on the notice to the user.
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fifty nine

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reply to Belinrahs
Or even worse, if they get no traction with Verizon or other ISPs they could simply subpoena the information and attempt to sue individuals. Thats' when it will get really ugly.


fifty nine

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reply to gatorkram
There is no law, correct but there may be pressure from copyright owners.


Karl Bode
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But by telling everyone that they are bluffing, the threat letters will lose their power to affect behavior.
I doubt that.

People have been getting these DMCA letters for years, and users have been pointing out how on most carriers they aren't backed up by any solid action for just as long. That hasn't stopped people from freaking out every time they get one, and I bet there's oceans of moms and dads out there who'll get these letters and put a stop to junior's P2P use right quick, regardless of some tech forum's statement that this is, in essence, a bluff.
Sooner or later Verizon will have to actually stop bluffing and start tossing customers.
Not unless there's a law, and there isn't one yet.


FFH5
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said by Karl Bode:

Sooner or later Verizon will have to actually stop bluffing and start tossing customers.
Not unless there's a law, and there isn't one yet.
Even without a law, pressure can and will be applied that Verizon may be forced to react to eventually.


N3OGH
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reply to baineschile
Oh shit, I just got booted.

Oh wait, no I didn't


jester121
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reply to Karl Bode
Maybe they'll put a stop to junior's P2P use because he's illegally uploading copyrighted material, and not out of fear that they're going to lose their triple play discount.

Maybe.

iansltx

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reply to fifty nine
Well, that's what they've been doing anyway...


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said by fifty nine:

There is no law, correct but there may be pressure from copyright owners.
I always felt, this was unfair, and network operators should stand up against such things.

The internet is just a road, or pathway if you will. It shouldn't be up to the ISP to do anything, but pass on the notice.

You can see where I am going with this. The network operator is no more responsible, for what I do on their network, than the people who make my shoes are, if I happen to have shoes on when I shoplift.

This type of thinking is outdated.
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gotmeonce

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reply to fifty nine
Way back when before time warner bought out adelphia in this are, i had an FTP website that was protected with usernames and passwords. Within the ftp site where 5 dvd rips I had made, they were back-ups of movies I owned, and i had originally posted them for my uncle to get back-ups without having to rip his own. I had also backed up every music cd i owned at the time and had them there. You can legally make one back-up copy of any copyrighted movie or song that you legally own. Long story short, The awesome hackers at RIAA and the MPAA got past the username and password requirement, copied down all the file names, if i remember correctly with each song, 300 and change. They contacted Adelphia, who in turn shut my internet off, when I called to report an outage they told me what had happened and gave me a number to call. So I called them, explained that i owned all the files that were there, and that my server was for my own private use, and was password protected including unique usernames. I mentioned digital trespassing, my internet was turned back on within an hour.

I even think you could get away with posting iso's of dvds and music cds if you own them, and included a disclaimer that the site owner holds no responsibility for users unauthorized downloading of files they dont own an original copy of, and that you own copies of all files hosted. If you have proof your not breaking any laws.

The problem with P2P networking and torrenting is that most people dont realize that you can turn off sharing, of course then no one would be able to download anything, but it seems these organizations are going after the uploaders not the downloaders. I have torrented windows xp home edition iso, because when I purchased this pc, i bought windows. But my new laptop didnt come with a recovery cd or dvd, but rather a recovery partition, if my harddrive crashes, i have no way to recover from that partition, there for i need a way to re-install windows.

nonymous
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reply to baineschile
Qwest does not boot after once incident. This would take very high usage for a few warnings on end. The cap i believe also if fairly large.
Now crank your 40/5 service up full blast 24/7 you most likely will get called on it. But no immediate killing of service.
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