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Mr Owell

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Big Brother's next move

I can see where this is headed already: widespread introduction of laws requiring all ISPs and operators of VPN services like IPREDator to maintain IP address logs containing enough detail to track users down. Such laws already exist in some countries. Sure, you'll have privacy alright--until your ISP and VPN service are legally forced to fork over their mandatory logs. Even in the absence of such laws, what assurances do users have that the VPN service isn't really keeping an IP address log? And if they really don't keep such logs, what legal liability do they expose themselves to in the event that customers use their services for illegal purposes?

drgonzo
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Re: Big Brother's next move

said by Mr Owell :

I can see where this is headed already: ... Sure, you'll have privacy alright--until your ISP and VPN service are legally forced to fork over their mandatory logs. Even in the absence of such laws, what assurances do users have that the VPN service isn't really keeping an IP address log? And if they really don't keep such logs, what legal liability do they expose themselves to in the event that customers use their services for illegal purposes?
Another good question would be likely when, not if, they get shut down. What happens to users who have invested money? I assume there is something on the TOS regarding that, but do they open themselves up to a certain civil liability regarding paid accounts and refunds?
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Metatron2008
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It wouldn't be possible. Anybody with a good amount of Linux Fu, a computer at 1.0 ghz and above, and can download m0n0wall or smoothwall can have their own at home VPN.

Ted Sheckler
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patcat88

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Time to start a datacenter in Thailand or Cambodia or Afghanistan.
zipjay

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Re: Big Brother's next move

said by patcat88:

Time to start a datacenter in Thailand or Cambodia or Afghanistan.
What about Antartica? That continent has no actual government. The only problem is getting fiber there
patcat88

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said by zipjay:

said by patcat88:

Time to start a datacenter in Thailand or Cambodia or Afghanistan.
What about Antartica? That continent has no actual government. The only problem is getting fiber there
Nope, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_···y_System

You'd really think there is a square inch of land on earth that is free for the taking? When the first satellite photos were taken in the 1960s, all previously uncharted islands where identified and assigned.

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Re: Big Brother's next move

said by patcat88:

said by zipjay:

said by patcat88:

Time to start a datacenter in Thailand or Cambodia or Afghanistan.
What about Antartica? That continent has no actual government. The only problem is getting fiber there
Nope, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_···y_System

You'd really think there is a square inch of land on earth that is free for the taking? When the first satellite photos were taken in the 1960s, all previously uncharted islands where identified and assigned.
Ever heard about Sealand?
patcat88

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Re: Big Brother's next move

said by NickD:

Ever heard about Sealand?
Want a show down with the 3rd most funded military in the world?
zipjay

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said by patcat88:

said by zipjay:

said by patcat88:

Time to start a datacenter in Thailand or Cambodia or Afghanistan.
What about Antartica? That continent has no actual government. The only problem is getting fiber there
Nope, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_···y_System

You'd really think there is a square inch of land on earth that is free for the taking? When the first satellite photos were taken in the 1960s, all previously uncharted islands where identified and assigned.
Actually you might want to check again..
"The area on the mainland between 90 degrees west and 150 degrees west, combined with the interior of the Norwegian Sector (the extent of which has never been officially defined)[citation needed], is the only major land on Earth not claimed by any country" Therefor its ungoverned

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