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| Anybody can create a VPN. With m0n0wall or smoothwall and a decent old athlon/p4.
It's funny that people complain about wall street, say that downloading illegal material is a right (not to mention saying 'copyright infrigement isn't theft'), and yet don't seem to know anything about the technical details. |
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| I don't follow. Yes, anyone can build one, but how does that make it anonymous or cost effective? |
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| Cost effective? You program a vpn, all you need is a decent old computer laying around. How is free a problem?
And I really don't have time to explain a VPN to computer illeterate folks who only want to use it to steal. Here ya go:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_pr···_network |
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| None of that answers anything. If you're parking your VPN behind your connection you're still getting your activity logged from your ISP.
If you are parking behind another connection, well that doesn't do anything either. You're paying for a second connection. And since you're paying for it, activity on THAT end gets logged and tied back to you.
How is building a hardware VPN anonymous and cost effective as an outside service? |
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 IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK | reply to Metatron2008
said by Metatron2008:With m0n0wall or smoothwall and a decent old athlon/p4. It's funny that people complain about wall street, say that downloading illegal material is a right (not to mention saying 'copyright infrigement isn't theft'), and yet don't seem to know anything about the technical details. Apologies for seeming computer illiterate and knowing nothing about technical details but you do seem to have missed the minor detail that you need somewhere to terminate that VPN outside your ISP's network in order to hide the activity?
This is kinda what these guys are offering, the other side of the VPN, the termination point of the VPN and the break out to the Internet to obfuscate the original client IP from the wider Internet and the traffic inside the tunnel from the client's ISP.
Unless of course you think that following your advice above and connecting to a box on the same connection as your PC you'll be leeching with via a VPN will achieve anything. I'm sure that's not the case though as you'd look a bit silly accusing other people of not knowing anything about technical details or discussing computer illiterate people when you didn't read the link you pasted and have no idea how VPNs actually work. That can't be the case, right? |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19
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| reply to MightyPez
the only way I can think of it becoming anonymous would be putting it into a datacenter that doesn't care what you do with your connection.. do those even exist?
another possible way may be to stick it on an unsecure wireless network where you can forward the appropriate ports on the gateway router.
ideally you would want to do that on several different wireless networks and use loadbalancing for the multiwan connection.
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| reply to Ignite
Sigh...
Pirate Bays service uses a vpn tunneling method known as PPTP according to internet services. Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol is a very basic form of VPN that really connects dial up connections.
LT2P was a combination of L2F and PPTP and provides alot more security. IPSEC is the best of them all.
Smoothwall can use both LT2p AND ipsec, and can have 100's of tunnels. I believe m0n0wall can do the same...
Now, as for termination, that's a bit difficult, but the easiest method is to use the smoothwall/m0n0wall computer as a router firewall as well as vpn and turn your current router into a WAP (or regular access point if it's not wireless). |
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IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
2 edits | said by Metatron2008:Sigh... Pirate Bays service uses a vpn tunneling method known as PPTP according to internet services. Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol is a very basic form of VPN that really connects dial up connections. LT2P was a combination of L2F and PPTP and provides alot more security. IPSEC is the best of them all. Smoothwall can use both LT2p AND ipsec, and can have 100's of tunnels. I believe m0n0wall can do the same... Now, as for termination, that's a bit difficult, but the easiest method is to use the smoothwall/m0n0wall computer as a router firewall as well as vpn and turn your current router into a WAP (or regular access point if it's not wireless). Again - how does this help hide anything? You still need something on the other side of the link in order to terminate the VPN. I am aware of the home unit being used, and would point out that the software clients that are supplied with these services are perfectly acceptable, it still doesn't resolve the basic issue that a VPN needs a terminator either side of the link and you still haven't mentioned what is going to supply the termination on the other side of the link.
Smoothwall can do IPSEC till the cows come home, to get a tunnel up you still need somewhere to complete the tunnel and you still haven't answered that. This is what the TPB service offers, an end point for the VPN, your unit will only supply a VPN end point / client it will not supply a VPN. |
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Re: Anybody can create a VPN. Self immolate much?  Time for the popcorn. |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to MightyPez
Re: Anybody can create a VPN. said by MightyPez:None of that answers anything. If you're parking your VPN behind your connection you're still getting your activity logged from your ISP. If you are parking behind another connection, well that doesn't do anything either. You're paying for a second connection. And since you're paying for it, activity on THAT end gets logged and tied back to you. And served with a warrant, want to bet how fast they'd roll over on you?
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to Metatron2008
PPTP? Great. I know plenty of highly controlled non-public ISPs (corporations, hotspots, universities, government) that block all non TCP/UDP/IGMP traffic, WHICH INCLUDES GRE. So PPTP is useless. |
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oh dear metatron has got himself in a little muddle!! lol
yes m0nowall can create vpn tunnels...so what! The point of the iPredator and equivalents is that they give you somewhere to tunnel TO!! from which you can then surf/download anonymously.. |
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 rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
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1 edit | reply to Metatron2008
PPP handles dialup. PPTP has nothing to do with dialup, at least not directly. PPP is also not the only dialup possibility (SLIP, X.25, KA9Q, others I suppose), but is certainly the most prevalent. PPTP is basically PPP encapsulated by GRE, plus command/control via a TCP connection. Therefore, PPTP can be implemented anywhere IP connectivity is available, no dialup required.
It's also certainly possible to use a L2TP or IPSec tunnel, each having its advantages and disadvantages (primarily based on what kind of packet filtering one's ISP is or is not doing).
From what you're writing, it sounds like you're the one wanting to offer this service (the stuff about supporting 100s of tunnels). Do tell us connection details so that we may begin.
BTB...so far I haven't seen any mention of TOR. I always wondered about that...that's another anonymizing network.
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