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Topic 'Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686465 en Tue, 21 May 2013 12:35:43 EDT Tue, 21 May 2013 12:35:43 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23705993
America, our constitution, and our lives in this country are founded on "The Rule of Law"

This does not mean, only when it is convenient, only when we don't feel threatened, only when the executive feels it applicable.

Laws protect ALL of us from unscrupulous, intrusive, and abusive government and individuals.

9/11 did exactly what the terrorists intended. Scared Americans so deeply that we began undermining the very foundation of our country in the name of "Expedience" and "Safety".

Just because I believe you are building a bomb in your basement, does NOT give me the right to break into your home, listen to your phone calls, or tap into your computer. Nor does it give Local law enforcement that right either. They have to go to a judge, present their evidence, and convince them that they be given permission to do these things, if they don't they cant submit any evidence they uncovered. This is called checks and balances.

Why should the FBI, AT&T or our executive branch be ANY different?

The FBI, and AT&T based on the article above, no matter how good the intentions, or how pressing the need, broke the law of the land, and if true should be held accountable for those actions.

I believe Ben Franklin one of our founding fathers had this covered...

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23705993 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:37:38 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23697199
And to the SpyT&T problem, I sure don't call that being good citizen breaking laws and then helping (insert 3 letter agency here) break the laws.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23697199 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:17:09 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23694894
If we were sheep, the American Revolution (let alone the War of 1812) would not have happened; instead, we would have let the British walk all over us.

The law is meant to HELP protect our safety; however, there are also times where the threat is high enough the law as written isn't sufficient.

If the threat declines in severity, then Congress is certainly free to change the law back. (THat is, after all the job of Congress.)

Still, given the spread and increasing sophistication the enemy has shown, tha may never hapopen until the threat is exterminated.

However, if you have your way, THAT may not hapopen either (amd likely won't, ever, as several laws and executive orders may have to change to permit such to happen).

You sound way too much like Albus Dumbledore to be realistic; are you sure you are either human or American?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23694894 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:42:16 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23694145 President's Analyst, anyone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23694145 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:00:31 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23693909 abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=···4&page=1 i know it's old but it speaks for itself. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23693909 Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:32:07 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23690734
If someone wants to hijack a plane, blow up a building, take a hostage, etc... they will eventually succeed. We can not stop every attack. Why? Because humans are fallible beings. Despite our best efforts to protect ourselves we will, at some point, make an error. Something will be overlooked or not communicated or not understood. This is human nature. The idiot with the bomb in his underwear proves this point. This wasn't some unknown person who slipped into this country anonymously. We had serious, credible intelligence on this man. We knew who he was, what he looked like and what his intentions were and plenty of time to stop anything he had planned. We had his own father come to us with repeated warnings of the threat he may pose. And what stopped this man? Not our intelligence community, not our law enforcement agencies, not our technology. It was his insufficient bomb-making skills.

We will never be totally safe, and that fact make's statements like TK's so frightening. There comes a point where more effort stops translating to more safety. Following our government's recent tendency to ignore or change laws they find inconvenient or obtrusive, how long is it before the government becomes harmful to everyday citizens? Sure, it may be a good idea to tap the phones of suspected terrorists. But what if we take it one step further to include all calls to and from known terrorist havens (like Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sudan)? How long will it be before we expand that to include all Islamic nations? Or maybe all international calls? Eventually we cast such a wide net that innocent people start getting caught in it.

There has to be a point at which protecting our safety is not enough to trump the law, where irregardless of the assumed threat we must follow certain steps because not doing so would be as harmful as the threat itself.

There is a quote that occasionally pops up on this site: They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23690734 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:06:49 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23689305 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23689305 Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:24:39 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688804
"I don't believe in the Rule of Law IF the Law is annoying to our agenda."

Or maybe... "Our agenda is more important then the rule of law."
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688804 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:04:52 EDT If the FBI or whoever comes to http://www.dslreports.com/forum/If-the-FBI-or-whoever-comes-to-23688802
But I hear more and more of this story and it saddens me that I see our privacy just being wide open.

It shouldn't be like that. We do have rights that should be respected. Our privacy shouldn't be just open and shut whenever the government "feels" like it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/If-the-FBI-or-whoever-comes-to-23688802 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:03:58 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688776 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688776 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:56:38 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688390 said by amigo_boy:

said by Skippy25:

I bet you can recite that quote forward and backwards WHILE under the influence.

Since you skirted my question the last time (Here) lets ask it again and this time WITHOUT you asking me a question as a response.

said by Skippy25:

So by your train of thought what was the FISA court setup for?

Sounds like everything was in place and there was no need for this court and yet it was setup for........... ?

1. We know FISA didn't strip the executive of all power to operate outside of FISA (if unforeseen circumstances arose). 18 USC 2511 is proof of that. As was Congress's use of that law as the basis of so-called "immunity."

2. We know events of 9/11 were unforeseen circumstances which FISA didn't accommodate. That's evidenced by Congress expanding FISA with the Patriot Act to better accommodate the Executive's actions (which Congress validated as covered by 18 USC 2511).

It seems like you want me to prove that FISA as it existed prior to 2006 wasn't sufficient. I can't prove that. All I can say is that the President and Congress felt it wasn't sufficient.

I believe it's your responsibility to prove FISA was sufficient, and that the President and Congress was wrong.

Knock yourself out. But, it doesn't change the fact that the system of balanced powers worked mostly as it's intended.

Mark
The system did NOT work as intended. The government along with corporate interests BROKE the law repeatedly. In the same spirit of TK's do things first then take care of the paperwork, I would suggest to:

1. Arrest all involved, including their supporters, since they are a danger to US constitutional principles (I have a "good belief" of that)

2. Transport them to a secret location and torture them (ahem, "robust interviewing") since waterboarding is not really torture, right ?

3. Summarily judge them in front of a military tribunal, in secret, using evidence obtained using torture and hearsay evidence, too, while we are at it

4. Execute them and fake a suicide or heart attack

5. Write a letter of apology about an unfortunate misunderstanding in case anyone finds evidence towards their post mortem exoneration

6. Blame a corporation for the misunderstanding. Since a corporation is a fictive entity, no one can be really punished, right ?

How do you like it when it applies potentially to YOU ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688390 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:31:15 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688335 said by dib22:

the law that is/was in place was the FISA... what are they doing that they are afraid of judicial review (and a pretty quick and weak judicial review as it is/was with FISA anyway)??
It could have been a power play. The Executive may have used Congress's resolution to use "all means necessary" to garner more power to itself than Congress intended.

I'm not really arguing that FISA wouldn't have worked. Only that, according to our form of government, the Executive had the power to do what it did. Especially considering Congress's sweeping authorization of near-wartime powers. Congress validated the Executive's claim when it expanded FISA. And, when it used 2511 as the basis if so-called "immunity" (which was hardly immunity when it was based upon an existing law).

But, yes, I agree, there could have been a strain of politics involved, where the Executive saw it as an opportunity to enhance its own powers. That's the way the three co-equal branches of government work. It's expected.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688335 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:13:18 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688322 said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
And this is why this country is in the shit hole!!!
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For the millionth time, why didn't they get an effing subpoena after the fact.
There's nothing in 18 USC 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) requiring a subpoena. It says the exact opposite. It says the Executive can tell the telco that no warrant is needed.

It's a recognition that when Congress created FISA, it could not anticipate every possible surveillance requirement in the future. That its law could not render the Executive powerless in such circumstances.

I agree it's not a desirable situation to be in. It leads to a constitutional crisis. An ambiguity of co-equal powers. Fortunately, it was resolved with an expansion of FISA and the President folding into that expansion.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688318 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:08:36 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688316 said by morbo:

In a drug induced coma fantasy.
it may shock you that in the past more corporations had a conscience. only a couple still exist today so i can understand how you might think it not possible.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688316 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:08:21 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23688295 said by Skippy25:

I bet you can recite that quote forward and backwards WHILE under the influence.

Since you skirted my question the last time (Here) lets ask it again and this time WITHOUT you asking me a question as a response.

said by Skippy25:

So by your train of thought what was the FISA court setup for?

Sounds like everything was in place and there was no need for this court and yet it was setup for........... ?

said by dib22:

I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.

But, they did follow the law.

1. The Executive Branch possesses an inherent power of surveillance.

3. The Executive retains the power to conduct surveillance which the framework (FISA) does not accommodate.

4. 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) is a recognition of that power, and how FISA wasn't intended to be everything.

5. That law was the basis of so-called immunity. Even if there had been any doubt about Congress's intent concerning that law, such doubts were eliminated when Congress said telcos were immune from prosecution if they adhered to that law (only between 9/11 and passage of the Patriot Act to better provide for new circumstances).
Seems like a judge today agrees with you:

»news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100122/tc···lligence

A federal judge has tossed out a pair of lawsuits accusing government officials during former president George W. Bush's era of "dragnet spying" on people's Internet and telephone communications.

US District Court Judge Vaughn Walker said in a written decision late Thursday that the named plaintiffs did not show they were victims of spying and therefore lacked standing to champion the class-action suits.

"A citizen may not gain standing by claiming a right to have the government follow the law," Walker wrote.

Justice Department lawyers countered that the lawsuit, and similar cases bundled with it, should be thrown out based on a State Secrets Privilege protecting intelligence information for the sake of national security.

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So you don't mind if all law enforcement officials dont follow the law as long as it is to protect us right? Screw Miranda, burden of proof, and any other little inconvenient technicality of law. It's for your protection.

Sometimes you simply amaze me at the shear stupidity in your comments. Do you honestly think before you post?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687947 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:35:12 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687912
Since you skirted my question the last time (Here) lets ask it again and this time WITHOUT you asking me a question as a response.

said by Skippy25:

So by your train of thought what was the FISA court setup for?

Sounds like everything was in place and there was no need for this court and yet it was setup for........... ?

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687912 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:29:36 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687825 said by Linklist:

So, for trying to protect you and other US citizens from evil terrorists, you feel they should be sent to prison, outed to other prisoners, and maybe be murdered. Is that your idea of justice?
no, they should be sent to prison for breaking the law.

do you even believe in the rule of law? or just law for the little people, not corporations?

so if I robbed a bank and donated the money to charity, that would be OK? It sounds like you are saying the ends justify the means and the law doesn't matter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687825 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:10:37 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687497 said by NOVA_Guy:

Those agents who played a role in this should find themselves in prison wearing some black and white stripes. And hopefully they will be readily identified and introduced to all the other prisoners as FBI agents too.
So, for trying to protect you and other US citizens from evil terrorists, you feel they should be sent to prison, outed to other prisoners, and maybe be murdered. Is that your idea of justice?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687497 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:55:26 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687760 said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.

I guess you'd be ok with being falsely accused, convicted, and possibly executed based on sloppy police work, lost paperwork, 'little white lies' between LEO's and prosecutors, and who know what else in the way of illegal and shoddy adherence to the law.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out.

Feel free to add your own verse.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687760 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:54:58 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687657 said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
and what happens when were all terrorists
then what]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687657 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:33:01 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687477 said by morbo:

said by Jim Kirk:

Really? When was that?

In a drug induced coma fantasy.
in an episode of LOST
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Really? When was that?
In a drug induced coma fantasy. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687410 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:44:26 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687033 said by dib22:

I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.
But, they did follow the law.

1. The Executive Branch possesses an inherent power of surveillance.

2. The Legislative Branch is co-equal to the Executive. It cannot legislate away the Executive's power. It can only create a framework (FISA) for the Executive to operate within, without impeding the Executive's power.

3. The Executive retains the power to conduct surveillance which the framework (FISA) does not accommodate.

4. 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) is a recognition of that power, and how FISA wasn't intended to be everything.

5. That law was the basis of so-called immunity. Even if there had been any doubt about Congress's intent concerning that law, such doubts were eliminated when Congress said telcos were immune from prosecution if they adhered to that law (only between 9/11 and passage of the Patriot Act to better provide for new circumstances).

If you don't like the law, then you should work to get it repealed. If you don't like that the balance of powers between the Executive and Legislative is imperfect, you should work to call a Constitutional Convention to rewrite the Constitution.

All I hear are people complaining that, essentially, an imperfect system *worked*.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687033 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:06:24 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687059
It's not a matter of not dotting i's and crossing t's in this case. It's a matter of outright violation of the law. Those agents who played a role in this should find themselves in prison wearing some black and white stripes. And hopefully they will be readily identified and introduced to all the other prisoners as FBI agents too.

And their cronies at AT&T, as well as those from the Bush administration who helped and those from the Obama administration who are still helping, should find themselves sitting in jail for this as well. Perhaps if consequences for breaking the law were enforced there would be less lawbreaking.
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I remember when AT&T actually stood up for its customers rights. I remember when AT&T followed the letter of the law instead of rolling over when ever the govt. asked.
Really? When was that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687009 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:39:19 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687007 said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.
I see an organization that was determined to help itself to heaps of taxpayer money (you know they were paid for this, don't you?)

I also see someone who can't RTFA. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23687007 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:38:19 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686927 said by Jim Kirk:

said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that.

In many cases the FBI never got subpoenas, and therefore broke the law. You are trolling.
What required the FBI to get supoeneas? Are you ignoring the role of 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B)?

Also, don't forget 18 U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c). It recognizes telcos legitimate participation with law enforcement due to exigent circumstances.

And, that law was even broadened by the Patriot Act. Instead of a "reasonable belief" in "imminent danger," it was changed to merely "good faith belief" in danger (not imminent.).

That and how 2511 was used as the basis of so-called "immunity" goes a long way to prove that the Executive branch was acting judiciously during that period between 9/11 and amendment of FISA via the Patriot Act.

If the Executive wasn't, those laws wouldn't have been expanded and used the way they were.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686927 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:29:20 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686910 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686910 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:25:07 EDT Re: AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686904 said by Linklist:

I just see an organization that was determined to help the US defend itself against terrorists after the 9/11 attacks. And if all the paperwork was sometimes delayed and not all the i's dotted and t's crossed, I am ok with that. Here, let me fix this for you:

I do not believe in the rule of law

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686904 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:23:53 EDT AT&T being good citizen after 9/11 attacks http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686465 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ATT-being-good-citizen-after-911-attacks-23686465 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:20:51 EDT