 | Whoops That was directed at fiber guy, not OP. These companies are forcing people into feature phones and data plans...you won't be able to get a "dumb phone" on these networks and these contracts are illegal and have doublespeak all over in them. The consumer shouldn't have to have an attorney to pay for a product or service. The FCC should be shutting the contracts down entirely...no ETF...or else allow the cable providers to start having people sign contracts. Hell, let's make everyone sign contracts to use the whole network infrastructure of the US (insert your country here) and charge 'em if they leave. Good thinkin'! These companies have been raking it in and raping the consumer for years because of the lack of....let's hear it...regulation. Look at what the deregulation of electricity did to Kalifornia and the power grid as a whole. There's a fine line between too much regulation and not any or not enough. That is what needs to be addressed in this country. On a LEVEL playing field...not one manipulated by either a lobby group or congress. We cry about the price of fuel and yet the lobbyists and special interest groups won't let you build a refinery in the US and close down half of them. You then force the existing ones to upgrade capacity WHILE forcing them to clean up the emissions and fuel. Of course, they can't have their board members lose any money, so that cost is passed right back to the consumer. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | I'm sorry.. but damn,.. you're pretty clueless...
#1) You are not "FORCED" into feature phones and data plans... for real?? Seriously?? You don't need an attorney to get a service plan but on the flip side, you SHOULD be smart enough to be able to read what you're signing.. stop seeking a nanny state to put everything in kindergarten terms for you.. act your age.
And really.. these contracts are illegal? HAH! that's a good one.. but what ever.. Just becuase you don't like them doesn't mean they are illegal.
#2) The FCC should be shutting contracts down huh? You want illegal? ... I'll give you illegal.. the FCC HAS NO AUTHORITY BY THE CONSTITUTION TO PASS LAWS! And, when it comes to contracts, that's a legal issue and the FCC has no power to do so, even if they think they do.. the FCC has been slowly learning this over the past few years. Sure, they can try to do something, but they've been taken through the courts and shut down themselves..
3) There is nothing illegal about a business requiring a contract to use their service. So get that out of your mind.. and Second, you aren't forced to sign any contract.. just don't take the promotional discounts that are attached to contracts... stop gargling bong water and looking for excuses in life.. what you're really saying is you want the goods, but don't want to put anything out for it as well..
4) So.. since cell phones are not required and we still have a land line service in this country, and cell phones are not public utilities, well, yea, let's regulate them.. Dude, seriously? Have you not noticed the prices of wireless communications coming down over the last years? There is plenty of, let's hear it, COMPETITION out there.. you can get unlimited service for $50 from at least 4 providers that I know.. find one and stop crying that you can't have it-all from anyone you want becuase it's not being regulated. Do you really hear what you're saying??
5) You're never going to get anything on a "level playing field".. again.. where are you guaranteed the right of "fair" which is level playing fields.. you have no guarantee of fairness.. There are PLENTY of laws on the books now to ensure that companies don't kill consumers.. they just need to be exercised.. and congress and dumba*s agencies like the FCC need to stop introducing new rules instead of existing laws being enforced.. Government isn't your solution, it's the problem.
6) Don't even start about the price of fuel.. it's a long drawn out conversation and irrelevant here.. but, it's clear that you don't know much about the value of the dollar becuase if you did, you'd understand why gas price is, as you call it, high. To be honest, in adjusting to inflation from years ago, gas is still, at about $2.50 a gallon, very cheap.. we've just been spoiled for so long.. and building refineries? That's not going to solve the problem we're faced with today.. again, another story..
But.. I get it.. you're very much an ultra liberal that wants more government.. that is clear in your post.. It's not an insult to be called or labeled an ultra liberal.. it just matches your way of thinking... so, fine.. but the bottom line is, in me saying this, is that show me anything in the history of this country where when the libs had control and made the rules, that this country thrived and the people didn't carry an incredible burden on their backs... I'll save you the time.. there hasn't been.
Again.. government isn't the solution.. it's the problem. And no, I'm not a republican either.. I'm smarter than that. |
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 | said by fiberguy:Again.. government isn't the solution.. it's the problem. And no, I'm not a republican either.. I'm smarter than that. No, just a corporate shill or astro turfer. Your choice which one. |
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 | reply to fiberguy Fibeguy, you are indeed forced into phones and data plans. Even if you go month to month and bring your own phone, you still pay the same price as other people receiving loans on a 2 year contract. It makes no sense to go month to month in that case. |
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 | reply to fiberguy Fiberguy...lol...ultra liberal. Try again before you paint people with the wide, clueless brush you're using. I'm not even a democrat and hate politicians period. Any government, be it local or federal is corrupt, clueless and inept because they're all too busy passing out favors and having favors called in to actually do a GD thing. Bills are being drafted while people are signing and the GD politicians aides are the people setting policy more often than not. I talk to people who say bills are being amended and FAXed upstairs here and what people sign isn't even the final dang bill. I DO have a clue.
1. If you don't believe these companies are forcing people into using smart phones and data plans, you are indeed lost. How many models do they make that are not? This is being forced on consumers because of , let's say it, lack of choice and planned obsolescence. No, nobody's forcing people to buy cells...never said as much, but way to read into it what you want. You talk about clueless....watch it happen. You'll only be able to get a dumb phone on Cricket or some such in a few years if you're lucky. People like you don't see it happening and then cry when it does.
2. I see you have a hard-on for the FCC. The contracts are illegal...why do you think people are looking into their actions and they're getting repeatedly taken to court? Huh? I don't give a GD who the hell forces these companies into shaping up but I'm glad the FCC is trying and we need more people to. Many things happen that are against the constitution...U.N. involvement and such. People keep trying to ban firearms, and I'm glad there are groups out there to protect that RIGHT.
3. Refer to #2. You stop hitting the bong then.
4. Wireless has gone down??? LOL!!! They hide it so well. What does unlimited mean to you anyway...pull that one out of your keester??? Competition? More like collusion. You need to take a look in the mirror. Yeah, let's go back to the early part of the 1900's and just let businesses do what they want...fix prices, monopolize...it will be a grand old time. How old are you anyway? Show me $50 unlimited after you define it. Only TMobile offers anything in that range....the others are: AT&T, $70. VZW is $70 and Sprint has unlimited everything for $99 for now. Hmmm, pay as you go is about the only way to avoid the contracts..other than maybe TMobile. Pretty much ANYTHING 3G requires a data plan and contract and how long do YOU think you'll be able to run an antiquated phone on a network not meant to support outdated technology and NOT get roped into a contract?
5. People are working at leveling the playing field. Too bad people like you have your head in the sand and don't want to put up the fight necessary to influence change. I agree, government as a whole is the problem.
6. Yep, it's that old dollar, isn't it? That's why the grid is in the shape it in and the fuel situation is where it is. I know what the adjusted fuel costs are. It was over those levels recently. It was supply and demand that slowed that down and the government digging into what Wall St. was doing. The dollar is still weak....but the prices are still high and creeping back up now that the attention has been drawn away. I guess I'm the only one who thinks it's high? That's why there's the big alternative fuel and energy push, huh?
In summary, you very much DON'T get it. I'm glad that you are so clueless that you label me from behind a keyboard. I didn't vote for this administration and I support the wars and troops. Got any more smart comments bud? |
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 | reply to fiberguy @ Fiberguy:
Ok now the truth comes out. You are a corporate paid right wing lobbyist pretending to be anti-government but by your own logic you are clearly fighting against the interest of the consumer (us).
Telcos love your pro-business anti-consumer rhetoric. I thought Obama got rid of some of you guys already? |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to WernerSchutz said by WernerSchutz:said by fiberguy:Again.. government isn't the solution.. it's the problem. And no, I'm not a republican either.. I'm smarter than that. No, just a corporate shill or astro turfer. Your choice which one. Someone who doesn't have to hide behind childish names becuase they have nothing valuable to add to a conversation.. such as yourself. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to sonicmerlin You're not forced into "feature" phones... as the OP has stated.. you have a choice of phones to purchase.. so long as they disclose what you will be paying in advance, and they are, then you have a choice.. don't like the fees that go along with the PDA and smart phones.. then take a basic flip or brick phone, or one that doesn't require a data plan.. |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to Whoopi said by Whoopi :
@ Fiberguy:
Ok now the truth comes out. You are a corporate paid right wing lobbyist pretending to be anti-government but by your own logic you are clearly fighting against the interest of the consumer (us).
Telcos love your pro-business anti-consumer rhetoric. I thought Obama got rid of some of you guys already? hahahahah.. riiiiiight... and I must be highly paid to spend time here on such a low grade "consumer" website talking to a bunch of childish people all day...
Seriously... wow.. seek help there buddy.
Um.. reality check.. the consumer isn't the ONLY thing that matters.. and the interests of the corporations aren't either.. however, there has to be a balance between the two in order for our society to function..
You believe what you want... but, I'll live in my world where it can function.. not your's where you think you can have it all at any cost you want..
Grow up. |
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