| [Newsgroups] 20th Century Fox & Others v Newzbin This will be an interesting court case to follow. I am unfamiliar with the finer points of this case, but I think it's safe to assume any outcome would have repercussions far beyond Newzbin itself.
If memory serves me right, manually generated reports -- not the indexing of newsgroup content itself -- is the crux of the argument against Newzbin.
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Litigation in 3.2.1...
Our long awaited case, 20th Century Fox & Others v Newzbin, begins next week in London. It should last about a week. It's unknown yet when any verdict will be handed down after the case is concluded.
We will try to provide updates at the end of each day as the case progresses but we may be busy.
Wish us luck!
Newzbin Legal
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| A Google search turned up the following interview with a lawyer representing Newzbin in this case. Of particular interest is a rather broad argument against them.
Newzbin vs MPAA: An interview with the Usenet indexing site's legal team, weeks away from court.
»www.usenetshack.com/newzbin-vs-m···illegal/
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What exactly are they suing you for?
"Stimulating granting of access to copyright infringing material. promoting and inducing infringement so as to authorise copying; procuring & encouraging; participating in a common design to infringe; communicating works without consent." That's not the wording but the gist of it.
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 imtim83Hate the people from there. Stop copyingPremium
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Kenner, LA | reply to JohnQPublic
This is going to be quite interesting! Can't wait to see what happens next. Have a feeling it will be a long drawn out process like always. |
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
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Dallas, TX | reply to JohnQPublic
Here's hoping Newzbin win this, or if they lose aren't forced to "do a Mininova" and remove most if not all of the reports they index.
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 HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium
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you knew 'they' were going to get around to Usenet sooner or later. |
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| They aren't really getting around to Usenet, they are getting around to Newzbin. Semantics yes, but a difference nonetheless. I think Usenet will be around a while. |
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| oh, i'm sure. but if you think the **AA's aren't going to get around to 'calibrating' the Usenet providers with warrants for customers' downloads and such...
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| Darn, and right after Newzbin announced they were finally getting around to increasing their retention. I wonder if the court date will postpone that from happening now. |
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imtim83Hate the people from there. Stop copyingPremium
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Kenner, LA | said by unoriginal:Darn, and right after Newzbin announced they were finally getting around to increasing their retention. I wonder if the court date will postpone that from happening now. Doubt it why would they announce that then right after talk about the upcoming court case? We will see. |
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| reply to JohnQPublic
This can be bad for Usenet! NZBs are beneficial to Usenet. This case is just like "Piratebay" all over again. |
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imtim83Hate the people from there. Stop copyingPremium
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Kenner, LA | said by crese24:This can be bad for Usenet! NZBs are beneficial to Usenet. This case is just like "Piratebay" all over again. Who cares we can live without nzbs |
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Attleboro, MA | reply to crese24
said by crese24:This can be bad for Usenet! NZBs are beneficial to Usenet. This case is just like "Piratebay" all over again. Ahhhh nzb's are great and all, but I could manage perfectly fine without them.. |
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| perfectly fine? unabated ease of access?
cmon, you're not giving nzb's any credit at all. |
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imtim83Hate the people from there. Stop copyingPremium
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1 edit | said by jimboe:perfectly fine? unabated ease of access? cmon, you're not giving nzb's any credit at all. I use to refuse to try nzbs but one day decided to see what the fuss is about. Yeah they are nice but you still need to not use nzbs sometimes. Depending on how quick you want something. It can take a while for stuff to be indexed as a nzb. Not everything but it does happen. Like 70 to 200 days + |
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Court Hearings - Chancery Division
...At half past 10 TRIAL LIST TLC 199/09 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & ors v Newzbin Ltd COURT 59 Before MR JUSTICE BRIGGS Monday, 1 February 2010 At...
Relevance: 43%
Last updated: 15 Dec 09
»www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/···cery.htm
Daily Court Lists - Cause List
...At half past 10 TRIAL LIST TLC 199/09 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & ors v Newzbin Ltd COURT 59 Before MR JUSTICE BRIGGS...
Relevance: 26%
Last updated: 29 Jan 10
»www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/cause.htm
this is from crown court daily case list,i wish newzbin good luck |
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I know but the point was:
Do you really want to go back to the days of downing headers, translating obfuscated postnames.
I come from the days when there was "nothing" on usenet, and then posts had to be uuencoded/decoded.
Big pain in the ass.. I sure don't want to have to go back to that.
Sheesh, that'd be like going back to the horse and buggy practically.
Could I/we do it? Sure.
Do we want to? Fck no!
I'm sure you feel the same. |
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New Iberia, LA | Ohh downloading 400+ days of headers would be soooooo much fun.
Nah. I like my NZB files. |
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said by a scott :
Court Hearings - Chancery Division
...At half past 10 TRIAL LIST TLC 199/09 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & ors v Newzbin Ltd COURT 59 Before MR JUSTICE BRIGGS Monday, 1 February 2010 At...
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Thank you for those links. Do you know where I could find the complaint against Newzbin? I would like to read it if available. Thanks. |
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| COURT 58
Before MR JUSTICE KITCHIN
Tuesday, 2 February 2010
At half past 10
TRIAL LIST
TLC 199/09 Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation & ors v Newzbin Ltd Pt Hd
cant find anything at mo. but just in case not seen this link-give to you. »www.usenetshack.com/newzbin-vs-m···illegal/ |
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20th Century Fox and Others vs Newzbin Ltd - Day 1
First day kicked off at 10:30am with the opposing barrister delivering his opening speech, which lasted about 3 hours. Apart from mostly being full of how evil we are, he explained, mostly for the Judge, Justice Kitchin, what Usenet is, what Newzbin is, what NZB files are, how they compare to hyperlinks [at great pains to try and convince him they are technically different], some accusations about our header fetching backend code [it's apparently designed to go looking for copyrighted stuff on Usenet specifically].
Our opening argument was blissfully short by comparison and stated only that we dispute nearly everything they say and we'll cover it in the evidence to come.
The second part of the day consisted of witnesses for the claimants, which for the most part were pretty insignificant - a couple of FACT agents who didn't have much to say under cross-examination apart from they did a half-assed job analysing our site.. Some junior lawyers who confirmed they
had harvested data from our listings but didn't bother to check how much of it was actually under any form of copyright.
Their star of the show, an expert witness was cross-examined for the last hour, covering topics including the dangers of auto-opening NZB files [he admitted a malicious NZB file might be a virus and auto-opening it in a browser could lead to a user being infected by a virus], discussing the
various reasons that binary headers and text-digest headers are treated separately in the backend [performance reasons, and they're handled differently until repors are created at the final step, at which point the two types of reports converge into one common database again].
Thankfully the Judge Justice Kitchin is remarkably on the ball and switched on - if nothing else this will be a very fair trial and already the opposing barrister has been pulled up on several points of contention - this Judge certainly won't blindly eat everything he's told by the MPA. on the other hand it doesn't mean he'll accept our arguments easily either.
Court adjourned at 4:30pm. The trial continues.. |
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