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FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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Will LTE be pitched for fixed wireless to the home?

Some questions that need to be answered are:

Will Verizon pitch LTE as a product for fixed wireless to the home and not just a mobile wireless service? Will their be an LTE/WiFi router for home service?

And will there be external antennas offered to get the best bandwidth speeds possible inside the house?

If they are serious about competing against landline DSL or cable services by their competitors, this would make sense. Especially in areas where they don't offer Fios.
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CurGeorge8

join:2005-05-02
South Park, PA
I was thinking along the same lines. I can imagine some sort of GPS receiver on the modem (much like their femcells have now) that verifies the location of the modem operation. That or tie the mac address into the tower that the modem will be used at so that it can only send/receive data from one source.

I used to live in a semi-rural town that wasn't hard wired for HSI, so a local business operator put wi-fi antennas on top of a water tower, and then distributed outdoor antennas to all of their customers to be mounted and pointed to said tower. Worked well, except for ridiculously high latency in rain storms.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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reply to FFH5
Sounds like this is their strategy actually. SOrt of similar to what Sprint is working on with WiMAX, except theoretically faster and with better coverage...


tiger72
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reply to FFH5
I'm not sure Verizon has enough spectrum capacity to really deploy this as a home broadband replacement for most of the country. Clearwire definitely benefits from it's large holdings (~120mhz nationwide) in the 2.5ghz range. 2.5ghz also allows for more capacity than 700mhz. And Verizon only has about 34mhz of 700mhz holdings in most major markets. Couple the smaller spectrum holding with the lower capacity of 700mhz, and I just don't see how VZW can offer a home broadband replacement via LTE like Clearwire can via WiMax... At least not without destroying that CDMA map they're so proud of.
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mobbo

join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
reply to FFH5
If they do, they MUST do better than Clear has done. Their signal cannot penetrate walls very well and flat-out does not work in houses with energy-efficient windows. Plus, the Motorola modem has no external antenna capabilities.


Sabre
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join:2005-05-17
reply to tiger72
For home broadband, I don't think they're offering a replacement so much as an option.

As previously pointed out, a lot of those rural customers (of which I may soon be one) don't have options. Cable HSI is spotty if they choose not to wire your street, satellite is a non-starter, and for those poor Fairpoint/etc. people, DSL lacks appeal if provided by a company that's buried under debt.

That's the market this would be aimed at. Fixed wireless via LTE probably wouldn't fly in cities, for precisely the reasons you raise. But out in Appalachia and the like (which isn't always as poor/hickish as stereotypes make it out to be) it would be a very appealing option, if decently reliable.
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BosstonesOwn

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reply to mobbo
I have a zyxel worldwide wimax modem with external antenna panels for each area of the world.

It works indoors very well around here , not exactly a great broadband option compared to comcast but i works well behind all my energy efficient windows .
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iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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reply to tiger72
Actually, 700MHz propagates MUCH farther than the 850/1900 EvDO that Verizon is using right now.

Also, if Verizon wants to do high-capacity (versus long-reach, which seems to be the focus with LTE-700) they can turn the pwoer on their transmitters down (way down) and deploy towers closer together.


Matt3
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reply to mobbo
said by mobbo:

If they do, they MUST do better than Clear has done. Their signal cannot penetrate walls very well and flat-out does not work in houses with energy-efficient windows. Plus, the Motorola modem has no external antenna capabilities.
700Mhz for LTE vs 2.x GHz (anyone know for sure?) for Clear. World of difference.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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reply to mobbo
External antenna is TBA, but 700MHz penetrates where 2500MHz doesn't. It's just plain RF stuff. If Clear deployed WiMAX on 700MHz they wouldn't have those problems.

iansltx

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reply to Sabre
True. 5-12/2-5 Mbps could probably be sold for $50 by Verizon, plus VoIP of some sort (maybe another $40 for unlimited local and long distance). Wouldn't be FiOS, but would beat DSL more often than not on speed and the price is about what people will pay for service in those areas.


Matt3
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said by iansltx:

True. 5-12/2-5 Mbps could probably be sold for $50 by Verizon, plus VoIP of some sort (maybe another $40 for unlimited local and long distance). Wouldn't be FiOS, but would beat DSL more often than not on speed and the price is about what people will pay for service in those areas.
Hell, that would beat Road Runner in most areas too.

mobbo

join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX

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reply to iansltx
I've seen some pretty ambitious amateur rigs for outside solutions... including a guy putting the Motorola modem in a big plastic trash can on a pole above his house I wouldn't do that but I would consider it if my only other option was dialup.

Edit: BTW... its not just the horrible signal, their coverage maps are total BS. Despite the big green SOLID blob of coverage on their website for DFW, I have attempted to get Clear service on 5 (not kidding) different locations all over metro DFW for various construction jobsites and NONE had coverage. The coverage is full of holes. I'm batting 0 for 5 in attempts to get coverage in a supposed "covered" region.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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reply to Matt3
True, though it looks like TWC is slooowly rolling out 15/2 as their highest tier across all markets. Or 15/1 anyway.


Matt3
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said by iansltx:

True, though it looks like TWC is slooowly rolling out 15/2 as their highest tier across all markets. Or 15/1 anyway.
They need to hurry the hell up here, we're still 7Mbps/384Kbps or 10Mbps/512Kbps.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Hopefully NorthState will start doing pair bonding and offer something better than 768k up, and CenLink will do 25/2 pair-bonded...


Matt3
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said by iansltx:

Hopefully NorthState will start doing pair bonding and offer something better than 768k up, and CenLink will do 25/2 pair-bonded...
I have 15/2 from NorthState over fiber (grandfatherd in tier and could have ordered 30/5), but it will take Time Warner to up their speeds before NS will offer anything higher. They don't need pair-bonding to offer more than 768Kbps up, they are doing that now because at twice the speed of their competition, they can.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Right, saw that. Sad to see a company actually DOWNGRADE their offerings due to lack of competition (and interest?)

kem09030

join:2004-11-29
Rushville, IL
reply to mobbo
Remember that these are both going to be totally new networks so right off they aren't going to be great. It will take time for the networks to mature just like the cellular networks took time to mature. Give it a few years and things should get much better for the 4G networks.


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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

Will Verizon pitch LTE as a product for fixed wireless to the home and not just a mobile wireless service? Will their be an LTE/WiFi router for home service?
I would think it would work the same as WiMAX and 3G work now. Those of us with few broadband options buy a 3G/4G router and connect the USB device to it.
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Matt3
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reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:

Right, saw that. Sad to see a company actually DOWNGRADE their offerings due to lack of competition (and interest?)
The official line is they didn't want to offer disparate packages to fiber customers and to ADSL2+ customers who subscribed to IPTV. Their ADSL2+ circuits didn't support more than 768Kbps once you throw IPTV into the mix. I was also told by a technician they aren't delivering IPTV over copper at all, so who really knows?

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
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reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:

True. 5-12/2-5 Mbps could probably be sold for $50 by Verizon, plus VoIP of some sort (maybe another $40 for unlimited local and long distance). Wouldn't be FiOS, but would beat DSL more often than not on speed and the price is about what people will pay for service in those areas.
Why would they need to charge separately for VOIP?

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
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Because they make money that way, and everyone else charges separately for VoIP?