 gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium join:2002-07-22 Winterville, NC kudos:2 Reviews:
·Suddenlink
| Crack down Yeah, what do you bet, this has more to do with piracy and knowing who owns what IP, than it has to do with "stealing" cable internet service. -- Give me bandwidth or give me death! »/testhistory/661871/4f240 |
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 amungusPremium join:2004-11-26 America | Interesting perspective, but I personally doubt it...
Sounds like this guy (and the others) were relatively visible targets. |
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 rstrandbCrazy like a foxPremium join:2003-04-17 Albany, GA | reply to gatorkram This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. -- Liberalism is the downfall of any great Republic. |
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·magicjack.com
| said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users.
If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society.
It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities?
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 | reply to gatorkram I wonder IF the FBI will seize comcast for selling me services that do not exist, nor have I never received. Like the 12/2 I have never gotten anywhere near 12 down, I may occasionally get close to 1 meg down, best up 284! |
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 koolman2Premium join:2002-10-01 Anchorage, AK | 12 Mbps = 1.5 MBps 2 Mbps = 256 kBps
You are probably getting exactly what you are paying for. Service is sold in bits and downloads are described in bytes. Divide bits by 8 and you get bytes. |
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 rstrandbCrazy like a foxPremium join:2003-04-17 Albany, GA | reply to amigo_boy said by amigo_boy:said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users. If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society. It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities? Mark So arresting law breakers is a bad thing? How much money did they garner from their illegal activities? -- Liberalism is the downfall of any great Republic. |
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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium join:2004-01-06 NYC Metro | reply to CatchingSpy said by CatchingSpy:I wonder IF the FBI will seize comcast for selling me services that do not exist, nor have I never received. Like the 12/2 I have never gotten anywhere near 12 down, I may occasionally get close to 1 meg down, best up 284! What does this have to do with this thread? You probably signed a contract that didn't promise any service level near what you are claiming.
-Tzale -- They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -:- "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."~Ronald Reagan |
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 | reply to koolman2 what are you talking about, i get 7/1 from verizon dsl, and on a s speed test i get 6000 to 6800/600 to 800 which is 6/6 or 6.8/8 If you pay for 12/2 service you should be getting at least 10/1.5 im pretty sure anyone using these forums knows how to use the speed tests, however still i cant believe the service is that slow when advertised so high id like to see those speed tests. |
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 koolman2Premium join:2002-10-01 Anchorage, AK 2 edits | Speedtests are also done in bits, whereas normal download programs report in bytes.
For example, my home connection is 12/1 Mbps. That means that I can download at 12 megabits per second, or 1.5 megabyte per second. The fastest I'll see in a browser while downloading a file is 1.5 MBps, which is exactly what I'm paying for.
I really wish the world would standardize on one form of measure: either the bit or the byte. |
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 | reply to amigo_boy actually, cable companies do secure there network. Its based on a handshake type system. When your cable modem powers up, it sends a request for access to the network, the CMTS (the computer at the cable companies headend) receives a bunch of information from the modem in this file including the modems mac address, if that address isn't in the CMTS the modem gets denied access. Its actually the best security one can use. However, when one hacks, or mods a cable modem, your basically tricking the cable modem into thinking it has been granted access to the network. Each company has a unique config file, which is why when the modem is hacked it will only work on certain cable companies. The hacker has basically installed the config file in modems flash memory, and they change some hardware programing so that the modem loads up that config file, when it request an ip number from the CMTS it sends the handshake information proving its ok, and its given the ip address. There is really nothing a cable company can do to stop it, the same way dish network and DTV cant stop people from stealing sat. service. They can change security measures, but someone will end up figuring out a way to get what they want for free. |
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 1 edit | reply to koolman2 said by koolman2:Speedtests are also done in bits, whereas normal download programs report in bytes. For example, my home connection is 12/1 Mbps. That means that I can download at 12 megabits per second, or 1.5 megabyte per second. The fastest I'll see in a browser while downloading a file is 1.5 MBps, which is exactly what I'm paying for. I really wish the world would standardize on one form of measure: either the bit or the byte. I wish we'd standardize kibibit and kebibyte verses kilobit and kilobyte so I don't feel like I'm being shortchanged everytime I purchase a HDD. |
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 | It will never happen since the advertising misleads you into thinking you get more than you actually do. Just look at how the marketing droids have gotten you to use kebi instead of kilo. Thats not right. Computers have always been based on powers of 2 (thus 1024 instead of 1000). Trying to make things decimal here only leads to deliberate obfuscation. |
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 andre2 join:2005-08-24 Brookline, MA | said by puddleglum :
It will never happen since the advertising misleads you into thinking you get more than you actually do. Just look at how the marketing droids have gotten you to use kebi instead of kilo. Thats not right. Computers have always been based on powers of 2 (thus 1024 instead of 1000). Trying to make things decimal here only leads to deliberate obfuscation. I think it's just that each sector of the industry has its own traditional measure, and can't change because it would confuse customers. CDs are sold using power-of-two units, but are incorrectly labeled with power-of-ten units, so a "700 MB" CD is actually 700 MiB which is larger. On the other hand, DVDs use power-of-ten units, so a 4.7 GB DVD is exactly that.
I think the solution is that whenever powers-of-two are meant, the extra "i" should be used in writing the size. If everyone did that, the ambiguity would be gone, since a size without the "i" would always mean power-of-ten. Computer people could pronounce the sizes in the old way if they want (for example pronounce MiB as "megabyte") as long as it's written correctly.
BTW not all computer hardware is based on powers-of-two, for example AFAIK there is no good reason to use powers of two for hard drive sizes, or networking speeds. |
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 kba4 join:2001-10-23 Canton, OH Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to lqrisquicker well DBS is very difficult to steal anymore, what with the current generation of access cards out there.
DBS by its very nature is a mostly 1-way system: the majority of the signal is sent to every single customer in the country with locals being spot-beamed regionally. the access card authenticates the receiver and the receiver in turn displays the A/V signal to the end of the chain (tv, audio, etc.). in the past it was very easy to reprogram an access card to access 100% of the signal instead of what it was originally intended to decode.
current generation CATV by its very nature is a 2-way system: every CPE (consumer equipment) is connected to the CMTS with updates being made constantly. Cable Modems in particular have been 2-way for a long time. The boot process uses MAC authentication and allows the modem to access the various portions of the network and then the Internet if it's a legit CPE.
saying that the cableco can't stop it is like saying the highway patrol can't stop people who don't pay to access toll-roads. there's simply too many places to stop the process from progressing. I have to agree with amigo_boy here - no company should be allowed to use our tax dollars to protect their investments. I realize that it may be too late for this ethical issue, however, what with the corporate bailouts and the precedent they have seemingly set. -- "I saw Matlock in a bar last night; the sound was off, but I think I got the gist of it..." |
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 koolman2Premium join:2002-10-01 Anchorage, AK | reply to PapaMidnight I've gotten around that by telling people that I have a one-trillion byte hard drive.  |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to amigo_boy Really? It's hard for you to get worked up about theft???
This is network hacking.. they're stealing access and as long as there are laws on the books, they need to enforce them.
It has NOTHING to do with cable companies wanting to defer theft to um, law enforcement... it has everything to do with people breaking the law.
I assume that in your eyes that if someone steals a car from a car lot, that the lot should do more to secure their cars? I assume that if you steal a TV from a store, the store should do more to stop theft? I assume that if someone breaks into your house and kills someone in your family you should do more to secure your house?
Get real on this one Amigo...
Law enforcement is enforcing the laws as requested and required.. period. I'm sorry, but I find your post a load of donkey dung.
You, being on this site, should know just as anyone else where.. you can secure your network all day long but there is a constant war between hackers and network operators.. nothing is 100% secure nor will it ever be.
I think you need to seriously re-check yourself.. your post is pretty clearly another "I hate cable, so screw them.. this is their fault"... kind of post.
I have NO patience for thieves one bit.. they know that hacking a modem is wrong.. period. And, besides, if this is no big issue, the fact remains, ... someone who steals a dollar will likely steal $10.. they are then likely to steal $100 and more.. so where does it stop? Simple... don't break the law.. and hacking into a network, which this is, for access (which circumvents the system - ie: hacking) is illegal. They break the law, and law enforcement did their job. Good for them! |
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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to CatchingSpy said by CatchingSpy:I wonder IF the FBI will seize comcast for selling me services that do not exist, nor have I never received. Like the 12/2 I have never gotten anywhere near 12 down, I may occasionally get close to 1 meg down, best up 284! Maybe you should stop being silly and get them to either repair their end/part of the service.. you repair your own part of the service that may be affecting your speeds (you wouldn't believe how many times I've run into bad crap IN the home that caused speed issues as well as being a problem of the provider be it cable or dsl) or maybe you should read your agreement that states that advertised speeds can been affected by many factors - which is true in ANY network environment including corporate LANs... etc.
Or.. maybe you should cancel your service and remind comcast that they can't provide the service, if it's truly on their end, which is may very well be... but why do YOU put up with it? Instead, you post silly things which ultimately are tit-for-tat and far from cutesie.... |
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 | reply to kba4 nowadays you dont need to even reprogram an access card to steal dish or DTV for that matter, with the advent of the internet, its called card-sharing, and its available and about 7 FTA receivers, you load in 3 party firmware, plug your FTA receiver into an Ethernet connection, or configure wireless connection give the box a minute to connect to the card server, and your getting free Dish Or DTV. If there is a service someone wants badly enough they will find a way to get it for free. Yea the boot process does use the mac auth, but they still hacked the modems for free service, and they do work, I've seen these modems in action when i worked for a cable company, I've also seen the process of hacking them to work with out being put in the CMTS, and uncapping, you only have to use 2 programs, that run under windows and you can configure your modem to access the network. its so simple, that a 50 year old could do it. I was going to put 12 year old, but we all know most 12 year olds are who are figuring stuff out these days. |
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 | reply to rstrandb Leave your front door unlocked and wide open....see how quick the FBI or locals are to help you out after your place is cleaned out......The cable companies are letting us shoulder the tax burden of securing their money making network. At a certain point they need to at least close the door.
Also this is only rounding up the criminally stupid.....advertising that you are breaking the law is not the best way of avoiding interest. Concentrating more of our tax dollars on violent or higher cost crime would seem to be more effective use. |
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