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Porter Ranch, CA | My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money. | |
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  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" said by vdiggy:The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money. These criminals rarely shoot back.
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1 edit | said by vdiggy:The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money. The FBI is and always was the main investigators of white collar crime in the US. Their national security mandate makes up a small percentage of their workforce. Those duties are handled by many other intelligence agencies trained specifically for anti-terrorist work. | |
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| | While I, too, question the cost:benefit ratio for cracking down on these modders, I have to admit, how much does it really cost to track down someone who advertises their "wares" in plain sight (or, in this case, site). They probably put the Academy interns on these cases.  | |
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 Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
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The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money.
Should cops only investigate murders and forget about rapes and theft? Same goes for the FBI which is why there are different departments.
Tell you what the FBI can use my tax dollars for investigating these types of crimes and use yours for national security.
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|  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" said by Grail Knight: quote:
The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money.
Should cops only investigate murders and forget about rapes and theft? Same goes for the FBI which is why there are different departments. Tell you what the FBI can use my tax dollars for investigating these types of crimes and use yours for national security. True.
However, in a time of fiscal insecurity, the FBI should be focusing on real threats. Of course, this one case doesn't prove anything about the FBI not focusing on 'real' threats.
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| | Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
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kudos:6 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" I am sure they have people working on real threats but you still can not turn a blind eye to other crimes.
Seems to me it is always the little things that get one in trouble.
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| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | "However, in a time of fiscal insecurity, the FBI should be focusing on real threats"
ALL threats are real... law enforcement, if you haven't noticed, is not budget affected... there will always be money for enforcing laws.. and this IS a real "threat"... anyone that wants to break or violate our laws "ARE" threatening us.. all of us.. you just don't care to realize why or how.. | |
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join:2005-03-19 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" the only ones getting hurt here is the cable co's. customers are only hurt because the cable co was not able to manage their network. bottom line.
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| | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" Ummmm.. no.. sorry.
The guy went through great length to get into part of the cable modem that wasn't designed for end users in the first place.. the config file is not a user area of the modem.
The guy CLEARLY went through great lengths to bypass, well, calling customer service to order and pay for services.. I think that EVERYONE knows that cable is something you have to PAY for...
Just about EVERY network is hackable or compromise able. It still doesn't make what this guy did right.. now matter HOW you try to make it sound better.
The average person can't do what this guy did... nor do they. There is REASONABLE security on the network to stop unauthorized modems on the net.. this guy made an obvious effort to circumvent their network for unauthorized access.. how much more clear can I say this? | |
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kudos:3 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" You are right.. you can do what ever you want to a modem that you own.. however, you can't hook it up to a network that ISN'T yours with the intention of gaining access to a resource that is paid for.
The DOCSIS modem wasn't designed to be accessed by the end user, for a reason. You also agree when you purchase the thing not to attempt access to services with out contacting your provider, did you not??
And sure, if you want to access the config file, you can if you want to work for it, however, the modem makers OBVIOUSLY didn't design them for you to have readily access to them with out a bunch of hacks.. wait.. there's that word.. "hack".. in other words, you don't just go to some config site on the modem and have a button you click to upload the file.. it was engineered for the CABLE OPERATOR to have access to that part of the modem.. but yes, you are right.. it's yours.. do what you want to with it, but once you modify it and circumvent the security features of the modem and the network, then um, yea, it becomes a problem.. as the dood found out for himself.
And, don't use the computer argument and licensing.. it's two different things.. there ARE in fact laws on the books that talk about someone gaining free access to a cable network which IS in fact... criminal.
The other fact remains, in simple, is just becuase you own something - and yes, you buy it, it's yours - doesn't mean you can 'do what ever you want WITH it'... there is a difference. I own my car.. and if there were a governor on the speed to set it at a max of 65, and I remove it, don't think for a second I couldn't do that.. but the moment I go over the speed limit, I'm bound to get written permission to slow down.. and a return envelope to send in my confirmation money that says I agree. | |
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| Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" said by fiberguy:The DOCSIS modem wasn't designed to be accessed by the end user, for a reason. You also agree when you purchase the thing not to attempt access to services with out contacting your provider, did you not?? Not if you buy it on craigslist or ebay...
said by fiberguy:And, don't use the computer argument and licensing.. it's two different things.. there ARE in fact laws on the books that talk about someone gaining free access to a cable network which IS in fact... criminal. I didn't say that it was legal to access the cable network with a hacked modem. Its obviously not right, its illegal. My only argument is that the cable companies are not doing anything to circumvent this problem. Well besides, not spending their money and getting the FBI involved. A more permenant solution is to just fix it so that hacked modems will not work. i'm lost how this is not being understood.
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| | | | | | | | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" "Not if you buy it on craigslist or ebay..."
Irrelevant... everything about the modem transfers from the old owner to the new one... sorry.. Not sure where you are coming up with that logic.
"the cable companies are not doing anything to circumvent this problem. Well besides, not spending their money and getting the FBI involved"
Them doing more to secure their network and someone breaking the law is, again, irrelevant.. The FBI is a law enforcement agency.. again, YOU are the one not getting it.. sorry... but if you're sitting in your house one nice spring day with your door open, not very secure, and someone barges in and harms you - don't call the police.. it's your fault..
What really irks me is how you and others are trying to play this BS card that cable has no right to get law enforcement involved when someone is breaking the law..
and with that, I'm sorry, but I'm done with this. It's CLEAR that you guys have it out for the cable companies and you guys are trying to justify that cable needs to do more and not involve law enforcement when someone BREAKS THE LAW...
seriously...
again, I'm done.. this is going nowhere. | |
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| | | said by Grail Knight: quote:
The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money.
Should cops only investigate murders and forget about rapes and theft? Same goes for the FBI which is why there are different departments. Tell you what the FBI can use my tax dollars for investigating these types of crimes and use yours for national security. ROFL!!! they investigate thefts where you live? All they do is report it, some rookie cop might even act interested for a little while, and try to help | |
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| | Grail KnightQui audet adipisciturPremium
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kudos:6 | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" Sorry to hear you live in such a city where cops do nothing more then act interested for a little bit.
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| |  aaronwtPremium
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4 edits | said by walker4289:said by Grail Knight: quote:
The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money.
Should cops only investigate murders and forget about rapes and theft? Same goes for the FBI which is why there are different departments. Tell you what the FBI can use my tax dollars for investigating these types of crimes and use yours for national security. ROFL!!! they investigate thefts where you live? All they do is report it, some rookie cop might even act interested for a little while, and try to help They investigate in my area. I know two people who got stolen items returned to them specifically because of the investigators doing their job.
And in each instance the perpetrators were arrested. Although I have no idea what the final outcome was for them.
the investigators found leads interviewed people etc, to find the people that stole the items.
They need to lock the people up using and selling these modified cable modems. People would think twice about doing it. | |
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kudos:3 | said by vdiggy:The FBI needs to concentrate on matters of national security, instead of wasting my hard earned tax money. The FBI is well with in their area to police this.. ie" FEDERAL Bureau of Investigations.. ... "hard earned tax dollars"... seriously, some of the BS in this thread is getting deep...
And who says this isn't a matter of national security? It very well can be just that.. just as epidemic health problems are also a matter of national security. Seriously, you need to study up a little more on what makes a country run.
If people grab anonymous internet access, that very well can be a threat to national security... or do you not get that? Remember 9/11? Most of those people operated under the radar.. who's to say that these modems, or modems like this, can't be used by such a group of people for illegal activity?
Same thing with gun laws... gun laws are silly and useless.. it just means that those who are following the law will be more easily tracked in the time they need to be.. you think criminals are out registering their guns? No.. they do it under the table to make it easy to cover their tracks..
If you think anything else-wise to my post, then you're sadly mistaking yourself and not understanding how criminals work and WHY they do what they do NOT to get caught... I mean, who's to say THIS guy was doing anything to harm the country.. prolly not... but who's to say that HIS work doesn't or can't get into the wrong hands... think about it.. and please, call me crazy now for my thinking... I just thank god that law enforcement things the same way becuase in crime, WE have to be right ALL the time (the good guys).. they, the criminals, only have to get it right once. | |
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| Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" said by fiberguy:If people grab anonymous internet access, that very well can be a threat to national security... here is a thought, fix the cable network so it cannot be hacked like this. obviously they know that it can be done relatively easily. terrorists won't go to loudmouths like this to get their access they will hire someone who knows what they are doing and pay them to shut up.
i'm not going to say the fbi doesn't need to investigate this, they do need to. but the cable co's need to step up and do their part too. shut down the gaping hole in their networks.
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Canada | Besides, once "your" tax money leaves your hands, it is not "yours" anymore, but goes to purposes which serve the common good. Law enforcement is one of those purposes.
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| | 1) fbi does more than just 'national security'. they have multiple departments that focus on different crimes. anyone who thinks going after one specific crime means they arent focusing on other things is just foolish
2) selling modems that can hide your identity can easily be considered a national security issue. do you want some radical terrorist browsing the internet and recruiting people without being able to be tracked down ??? | |
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| | | | Re: My Tax Dollars go to capture a so called "thief" said by fatness:said by dfsjeow :
2) selling modems that can hide your identity can easily be considered a national security issue. do you want some radical terrorist browsing the internet and recruiting people without being able to be tracked down ???
I'm curious how many radical terrorists have been tracked down by information from their modems. ...and, it's so hard to get legal access to the Internet these days.
Really, why would anyone planning major illegal activity risk all of their "big plans" by committing piddly little crimes (though, yeah, there may be some that are really that stupid). By and large I think the people who do this are either poor or cheap, or do it for "fun" or "thrills" or whatever, or all of the above... but national security threats? ...very low likelihood. | |
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Beaverton, OR | The Feds do prioritize you know, if it wasn't worth their time, they'd simply hand it off to local authorities such as in the case of wire fraud that doesn't exceed certain amounts. Steal enough, and the feds will pay attention. It's bad for business and bad for the public(ie. you) if theft goes unchecked. While I agree that maybe modem hackers aren't that big a deal, it's still against the law and you can't really complain when the FBI is acutally doing the job our tax dollars pay them for.
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