 rstrandbCrazy like a foxPremium
join:2003-04-17
Albany, GA | reply to amigo_boy
Re: Crack down said by amigo_boy:said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users. If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society. It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities? Mark So arresting law breakers is a bad thing? How much money did they garner from their illegal activities?
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| Leave your front door unlocked and wide open....see how quick the FBI or locals are to help you out after your place is cleaned out......The cable companies are letting us shoulder the tax burden of securing their money making network. At a certain point they need to at least close the door.
Also this is only rounding up the criminally stupid.....advertising that you are breaking the law is not the best way of avoiding interest. Concentrating more of our tax dollars on violent or higher cost crime would seem to be more effective use. |
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Warez_ZealotRural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
Hamilton, ON | reply to rstrandb
said by rstrandb:said by amigo_boy:said by rstrandb:This has everything to deal with those that are stealing a service they didn't pay for, and making a buck to help more steal it. The problem I have with the FBI cracking down on these guys is that, from previous topics, it sounds like cable companies can't or won't secure their own network to detect rogue users. If that's true, it looks like they've pushed the cost of such a business model onto society. It's hard for me to get worked up about cable companies losing services to leachers when they don't seem to do anything proactive to detect leachers and boot them. They expect society to prevent the information about how cable works, and it's vulnerabilities? Mark So arresting law breakers is a bad thing? How much money did they garner from their illegal activities? well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place.
Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security.
I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. |
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rstrandbCrazy like a foxPremium
join:2003-04-17
Albany, GA | said by Warez_Zealot:well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place. Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security. I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. Apple to oranges. You're equating a service provided to real property. Also, as has been pointed out it takes a lot of hacking to make the modem fool the network into issuing an IP address. This isn't a victimless crime....crime drives up the cost of service for all of us. These guys are dirtbags and deserve the penalties they pay.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | rstrandb
It takes about ten minutes to grab a usable profiles off of another head end (the same two macs cannot run on the same head end at the same time). It does NOT take a lot of hacking or anybody with specialized knowledge to use a hacked modem(just as difficult as installing a new driver). It really does not drive up the cost of service significantly either (which is why the ISPs just ignore them). While the ISPs could prevent a single mac from being used twice (system wide) they do not do so becuase of the cost benefit ratio.
I think it is highly likely that someone other than the ISPs was the reason behind the FBI doing this. The FBI needs to go after criminals who actually causing real harm. This is not entirely their fault, after 911 the white collar crime division was virtually stripped of all personnel (reassigned to terrorist watch). It has just been in the last year (or so) that a significant amount of personnel has been reassigned to this section (due to Madoff?). |
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 jubangyPremium
join:2005-03-26
Erie, PA
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said by rstrandb:said by Warez_Zealot:well.. How do you think law enforcement would react if a luxury car dealership left their cars on a open lot with the keys in the ignition, with only a few guards to look after the place. Guards told them that they would have some of their cars stolen, but they couldn't bother to upgrade their security cause the cost of a few stolen cars is less than the cost of getting proper security. I'm sure law enforcement would not react the same way. Apple to oranges. You're equating a service provided to real property. Also, as has been pointed out it takes a lot of hacking to make the modem fool the network into issuing an IP address. This isn't a victimless crime....crime drives up the cost of service for all of us. These guys are dirtbags and deserve the penalties they pay. While I agree these guys are dumb a$$ dirtbags, I also agree that if the cable co knows there are some holes that need closed they should do it. To me it ain't no different then the local country fair putting signs on their windows facing the parking lot telling customers to shut their car off, take the keys and lock the doors. There is actually some penalties for leaving your car running if your car gets stole. Granted its apples to oranges due to one being an actual peice of property that you lose if its taken and the other just a lost sale more or less, the same principle applies. Quit using our public tax dollars and services to provide a for-profit business with security. To me it would be the same if the local mini mart was provided with a couple local cops for free instead of having to hire their own security guards...makes about as much sense. |
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