Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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2 edits | RE:BitTorrent census:about 99% of files copyright infringing I am not surprised by the studies results. Did anyone actually believe that Linux distros made up a large % of P2P use? But it is nice to see that someone did the study and confirmed what everyone knows is true.
»arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/···aign=rss
He found that nearly half (46 percent) of files were nonpornographic movies and TV shows—the largest single category of content. 14 percent of the files were porn, tied with the 14 percent dedicated to games and software. Just 10 percent of the files were classified as music, and one percent were books and guides.
Sahi also analyzed whether the content was infringement, checking to see if was in the public domain, freely available via legitimate channels, or user-generated content. Based on this study, 100 percent of the movie/TV show sample was found to be infringing, as well as all of the music torrents. Seven of the 148 files in games/software were found to be noninfringing (two were Linux distros), and one of the 145 porn files was given the benefit of the doubt as noninfringing. Overall, about one percent of the total files were categorized as "likely noninfringing." I was surprised that porn didn't make up a larger % of the total. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by Romney2012:I was surprised that porn didn't make up a larger % of the total. With all the porn "tube" sites out there providing full scenes and even full movies why use a torrent? |
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1 | reply to Romney2012
So in your world 1021 pre selected files not random files = the truth.Sorta like saying 1 download = a lost sale.I can pick out 10,000 illegal files myself and claim it's all confirmed piracy.It's a totally BS article |
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For me when I download a movie its a confirmed sale if the movie is good. But I dont usually download from a torrent, I stream it. So, how meny of those downloads are confirmed sales, well since there is no way to tell. I guess that we all must be thieves in TK's world.
Also if I buy a game and there is heavy drm yeah I will download it and play a nice clean version. I HATE DIRTY DRM SCREWING UP MY BABY. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by cpsycho:For me when I download a movie its a confirmed sale if the movie is good. But I dont usually download from a torrent, I stream it. So, how meny of those downloads are confirmed sales, well since there is no way to tell. I guess that we all must be thieves in TK's world. Also if I buy a game and there is heavy drm yeah I will download it and play a nice clean version. I HATE DIRTY DRM SCREWING UP MY BABY. This is where you logic fails. The the thing is if you illegally download a movie for illegally stream it and you don't pay then you don't desrve to see it in the first place. Not wanting to pay for soemthing no mattter what the reason is not justification for obtaining that product. Whenever I go to the movies or rent a movie I take the risk that the movie will suck. That's is just how life works. Using your logic it's ok to sneak into a movie theater because if the movie is good you'll go ahead and buy a ticket later. What about all the movies you didn't like but saw for free anyways? Also MOTS people that illegally download never buy the movie even if they like it.
The fact is it is NEVER ok to illegally download a movie or TV show or whatever. NEVER. If you want to see it bad enough you pay like everyone else. If it ends up sucking oh well, too fucking bad. |
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said by BF69:said by Romney2012:I was surprised that porn didn't make up a larger % of the total. With all the porn "tube" sites out there providing full scenes and even full movies why use a torrent? ill bite on this
cause lets say 3 people stream and use 4 megabit on the line
then someone else is screwed
with bittorrent like a vcr i download and keep a copy
and get in 45 minutes 3 eps or 4 versus what you get to view in watching one ep
( think now faster speeds = less time to be online and THUS USE less power and be more green , only thing to require that is to get these ISPS to START increasing the upload a bit which the riaa and mpaa dont want to do) |
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said by BF69:said by cpsycho:For me when I download a movie its a confirmed sale if the movie is good. But I dont usually download from a torrent, I stream it. So, how many of those downloads are confirmed sales, well since there is no way to tell. I guess that we all must be thieves in TK's world. Also if I buy a game and there is heavy drm yeah I will download it and play a nice clean version. I HATE DIRTY DRM SCREWING UP MY BABY. This is where you logic fails. The the thing is if you illegally download a movie for illegally stream it and you don't pay then you don't desrve to see it in the first place. Not wanting to pay for soemthing no mattter what the reason is not justification for obtaining that product. Whenever I go to the movies or rent a movie I take the risk that the movie will suck. That's is just how life works. Using your logic it's ok to sneak into a movie theater because if the movie is good you'll go ahead and buy a ticket later. What about all the movies you didn't like but saw for free anyways? Also MOTS people that illegally download never buy the movie even if they like it. The fact is it is NEVER ok to illegally download a movie or TV show or whatever. NEVER. If you want to see it bad enough you pay like everyone else. If it ends up sucking oh well, too fucking bad. and also where your logic totally failed in the way you try and get your argument across.
IT IS NOT CRIMINALLY ILLEGAL TO DOWNLOAD
it may be copyright infringing ONLY where applicable, AS IN Canada we have a BLANK MEDIA LEVY
and while the original guy is part right
when my cost per cdr to download is 2 cents and yours to give to me could be half that the cost to make divided by the total number getting could be VERY VERY low number like 5 -10 cents COST
this includes all production costs and cuts out all the man in middle expenses
so why am you/I being asked to pay 20-40$ for a cdr/dvdr?
oh and right click spell check in firefox works wonders to both these people
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and i'll add when so many of today's movies suck do you blame someone for a want to try before they say they would buy?
I did that for diablo2
and i got a bonus on doing that with all the books and a expansion disk.....
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and yes there are always gonna be peolle that want free as in beer and instead fo worrying about them and making it so hard for the people like that guy above , maybe they should have a long time ago jumped into torrenting themselves and instead a donating have you pay a 1-2$ a month and get all you want and use the tracker stats to pay based on that
2$ times 350 million people HRMMM
technology will always make htings cheaper unless it is restricted.
SHAME on any freemasons that are part of the mpaa and riaa.
YOUR ancient order was about knowledge and freeing it. |
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 birdfeedrPremium,MVM
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Warwick, RI
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1 edit | said by chronoss2009:oh and right click spell check in firefox works wonders to both these people Off topic, yes I know it. But too bad there also isn't a right-click that applies grammatic structure, punctuation and capitalization, too. Your posts can be so dense and difficult to read. Either that or the canadian/amerenglish translator module needs tweaking.
Pot, kettle, black. 
On topic: anyone who argues with the results of this study are really only quibbling about small percentage differences. Bottom line on any representative P2P sample you take is the largest majority of the files will be infringing.
I'm not arguing on the merits of why or why not to use P2P, just saying I agree the bulk of files transferred is infringing. Keeps the **AA busy, that's for sure.  |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to chronoss2009
said by chronoss2009:said by BF69:said by Romney2012:I was surprised that porn didn't make up a larger % of the total. With all the porn "tube" sites out there providing full scenes and even full movies why use a torrent? ill bite on this cause lets say 3 people stream and use 4 megabit on the line then someone else is screwed with bittorrent like a vcr i download and keep a copy and get in 45 minutes 3 eps or 4 versus what you get to view in watching one ep you know that ther are programs that let you download those videos from porn tube sites. And you can download them faster than using bittorrent. Both the torrent sites and these site are dealing in copyright infringement so that's not the issue. The issue is a tube site will let you watch the movie NOW if you want or you download it later much faster and easier than using bittorent. There's over half a dozen porn tube sites in the top 100 websites in traffic so obviously lots of people know about them. Unless you are looking for something very specific there is no reason to use torrents to get porn. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to chronoss2009
said by chronoss2009:and also where your logic totally failed in the way you try and get your argument across. IT IS NOT CRIMINALLY ILLEGAL TO DOWNLOAD it may be copyright infringing ONLY where applicable, AS IN Canada we have a BLANK MEDIA LEVY and while the original guy is part right Copyright infringement is not right. Doesn't matter if it's not criminally illegal. It's not criminally illegal to fuck your best friend's wife. Do you do it anyways? Hey you're not breaking the law so it must be ok. Well at least according to your logic.
when my cost per cdr to download is 2 cents and yours to give to me could be half that the cost to make divided by the total number getting could be VERY VERY low number like 5 -10 cents COST this includes all production costs and cuts out all the man in middle expenses
so why am you/I being asked to pay 20-40$ for a cdr/dvdr? None of that has anything to do with anything. And sorry no CD-R or DVD-R is $20.
oh and right click spell check in firefox works wonders to both these people yes correct spelling makes you right. Another useless "point". why would I use firefox? Memory hog, bloated POS browser.
and I'll add when so many of today's movies suck do you blame someone for a want to try before they say they would buy? That's the risk you take. If you think the movie is going to suck why do you want to see it in the first place?
I did that for diablo2
and i got a bonus on doing that with all the books and a expansion disk..... You could have done that and also paid for the game in the first place. Your logic is "Let me pirate or you won't make money form me". Seriously does your job pay so little you couldn't afford diablo 2. That's say LOTS about you. How about more time getting an education to get a better paying job and less time playing computer games.
and yes there are always gonna be people that want free as in beer and instead fo worrying about them and making it so hard for the people like that guy above , maybe they should have a long time ago jumped into torrenting themselves and instead a donating have you pay a 1-2$ a month and get all you want and use the tracker stats to pay based on that Oh so they give people all they can eat for $1-$2 month and that is more money than getting what they do now? Please refrain from speaking about things you have no clue to which you are talking about. That's the problem with people like you. You still want it free even when you claim you wish to pay for it. $1-$2 a month? Are you fucking serious? How abut $50 amonth all you can eat? would you pay that? No of course not. Until you say yes you can forget your "genius" idea.
2$ times 350 million people HRMMM
technology will always make things cheaper unless it is restricted. SHAME on any freemasons that are part of the mpaa and riaa. YOUR ancient order was about knowledge and freeing it.
Yeah ok half the people world with internet will pay $2 a month. What is that based on? Anyways that's only $8.4 billion a year. Movies studio make more than that on DVD/blu-ray sales. And that's suppose to be for EVERYTHING? Movies, TV, music, games, software?
How about you pay for what you should and if you don't want to pay for it you don't get to have it? Exactly what is wrong with that idea? Most everyone seemed to agree with that idea before the internet.
Is copyright law perfect? No it's not. 95 years is way to long for a copyright to expire. The old 56 year max with 28 year renewal was fine. Should be even less with software.
Are prices too high for what the media companies want? Sure I think so. That's why I speak with my pocketbook by not purchasing them. Not by shoplifting from a store or illegally downloading it. All that does is show them that their product is popular. That hardly gives them an incentive to do anything except try to clamp down on piracy more and give us more stuff like DRM. See if you knew even basic economics you know more demand means higher prices less demand means lower prices. To a media company exec lots of people illegally downloading means lots of demand thus they feel justified in charging higher prices. And if they could just stop you from illegally downloading you'll be perfectly happy to pay those inflated prices. See in thier mind it's not the price that is keeping you from buying it's the torrent sites.
Now to you and me that's not close to being logical, but to them it is and they are the ones that own the media we want. Si if you actually willing ot pay for your content and you want prices to be more reasonable I suggest you and all your friends stop illegally downloading and show LESS demand for their products. Then when they wonder why there isn't any demand they'll figure it out finally and they'll lower the prices.
You've tried it you way and that hasn't gotten results. You want media to keep getting more expensive and bogged down with DRM and other crap keep illegally downloading. When they pass a piracy tax on ISPs and your internet bill is an extra $20 a month you have yourself to blame. |
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to BF69
I disagree.
Pay for the content worth paying for, not what they want to force you to pay for. |
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said by BF69:This is where you logic fails. The the thing is if you illegally download a movie for illegally stream it and you don't pay then you don't desrve to see it in the first place. Not wanting to pay for soemthing no mattter what the reason is not justification for obtaining that product. Whenever I go to the movies or rent a movie I take the risk that the movie will suck. That's is just how life works. Using your logic it's ok to sneak into a movie theater because if the movie is good you'll go ahead and buy a ticket later. What about all the movies you didn't like but saw for free anyways? Also MOTS people that illegally download never buy the movie even if they like it. The fact is it is NEVER ok to illegally download a movie or TV show or whatever. NEVER. If you want to see it bad enough you pay like everyone else. If it ends up sucking oh well, too fucking bad. Firstly, if the move does suck. I never finish watching it so its a preview. I dont pay for previews.
This is the only area in our economy where companies get away with with giving you a piss poor product and you cant take it back to get your money back.
So your logic is flawed saying this industry has the right to screw customers. Based on a self-serving higher then mighty attitude( the field of dreams attitude, if they make it everyone should buy it). If they take my ability away to stream or preview my movies before I buy they will lose my current budget for media of around 60 bucks per week I usually spend on movies. |
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said by KrK:I disagree. Pay for the content worth paying for, not what they want to force you to pay for. I think everyone agrees that that's fine. What isn't fine is stealing or illegally copying what you don't want to pay for. |
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