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globus999
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Are we there yet???

Hi,
Does anybody has any idea when are we going to be finally and definitively screwed with UBB without recourse? This is, when will it be implemented and will get hit by it?
If I understood correctly, the decision is to be about 3rd week of Feb (if not sooner). Is that "IT"?
Robrr
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See this thread for all the details »2009-261 ADSL-CO proceedings
InvalidError
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said by globus999:

If I understood correctly, the decision is to be about 3rd week of Feb (if not sooner). Is that "IT"?
My money is that whatever happens, unless the CRTC either rejects UBB or drastically limits the UBB billing rate (less than $0.10/GB), ISPs will resurrect their previous plan to bring the CRTC to court and force them to rescind their decision for failing its mandate to foster competition in a dozen different but significant ways.

So, it is most likely far from over.
jfmezei
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Since the equal speed issue has been deferred to after the ADSL-Co process, perhaps the CRTC could do the same to UBB, tell Bell that it must wait for the outcome of the ADSL-CO before a decision on UBB can be made.

If you're going to retructure the whole kit and kaboodle, is there a point is implementing MAJOR changes to a tarif that is about to die anyways ?
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I also predict a court case may come out of the UBB decision if it is unfavorable for either party, perhaps a cabinet appeal as well. But I think the chances of the court route working out are slim given the standard of review set by the court for administrative tribunals.

BACONATOR26
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said by freejazz_RdJ:

I also predict a court case may come out of the UBB decision if it is unfavorable for either party, perhaps a cabinet appeal as well. But I think the chances of the court route working out are slim given the standard of review set by the court for administrative tribunals.
In any case they will have to go through the Federal Court and the last case was not favourable to the CRTC, the only reason nothing was done was because the CRTC did not rubber stamp the decision, it was only an interim decision. If the decision is rubber stamped, there is a good chance the Federal Court will come down hard on the CRTC.
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We'll see. The court has to show a great degree of deference to the CRTC and it's guiding principles, such as the act and the policy direction. In fact, the standard of review is generally not correctness, but reasonableness. They are two very different things in law.

You will find that very few cases appealed from the CRTC's final decisions were met with success.
Jazdi
join:2009-07-06
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said by freejazz_RdJ:

In fact, the standard of review is generally not correctness, but reasonableness. They are two very different things in law.
That's correct. If I recall correctly, much of the MTSA/Acanac briefs were dedicated to attempting to demonstrate why the standard should be correctness, not reasonableness. There would be no case if the applicable standard was reasonableness.
InvalidError
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said by Jazdi:

There would be no case if the applicable standard was reasonableness.
There rarely is an absolute standard for correctness... most of the time you end up having to compromise between multiple standards for it.

In most cases, "reasonable correctness" is the most you can get because no two parties will agree on an absolute definition of correctness or the practicality of pursuing it. What needs defining are the limits of reasonableness.
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I wonder if, after a few years from now, we can see something revolutionary about UBB.

When you all become grandparents, will you tell your grandchildren about the fateful day of circa February 15th 2010 when the revolution, spearheaded by Bell and CRTC, will change the landscape of the Canadian Internet and leave the greatest contributions left in its wake?

I know I will.

IIgs
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said by globus999:

Hi,
Does anybody has any idea when are we going to be finally and definitively screwed with UBB without recourse? This is, when will it be implemented and will get hit by it?
If I understood correctly, the decision is to be about 3rd week of Feb (if not sooner). Is that "IT"?

If by "That is IT" you mean, Bell (with the CRTC's helpful assistance) bankrupting every last third-party DSL competitor, while at the same time destroying the very concept of the Internet for Canadian's. Well, that's a pretty big "IT". Uh, like an asteroid falling out of the sky, big!

It's anti-competitive. I'd be pretty amazed if all these businesses at the center of fire just let it happen without a massive fight, if say the decision is wrong. To say nothing of their customers. The CRTC is supposed to be there like a neutral referee, so companies like Bell play fair. NOT jump on their shoulders, grab a spear and yell charge to head the attack!
RabbitX
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You dare talk down about the CRTC and Bell?

How many lights do you see? THere are five lights, not four!

BACONATOR26
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said by RabbitX:

You dare talk down about the CRTC and Bell?

How many lights do you see? THere are five lights, not four!
LOL. It fits so wel.

JunjiHiroma
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said by BACONATOR26:

said by RabbitX:

You dare talk down about the CRTC and Bell?

How many lights do you see? THere are five lights, not four!
LOL. It fits so wel.
"They tell you 2 + 2 equals 5,not 2 + 2 equals 4." - Alex Jones
XD

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said by BACONATOR26:
said by RabbitX:

You dare talk down about the CRTC and Bell?

How many lights do you see? THere are five lights, not four!
LOL. It fits so wel.
Indeed...arguably that one was based on "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?"
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said by globus999:

Hi,
Does anybody has any idea when are we going to be finally and definitively screwed with UBB without recourse? This is, when will it be implemented and will get hit by it?
If I understood correctly, the decision is to be about 3rd week of Feb (if not sooner). Is that "IT"?

If by "That is IT" you mean, Bell (with the CRTC's helpful assistance) bankrupting every last third-party DSL competitor, while at the same time destroying the very concept of the Internet for Canadian's. Well, that's a pretty big "IT". Uh, like an asteroid falling out of the sky, big!

It's anti-competitive. I'd be pretty amazed if all these businesses at the center of fire just let it happen without a massive fight, if say the decision is wrong. To say nothing of their customers. The CRTC is supposed to be there like a neutral referee, so companies like Bell play fair. NOT jump on their shoulders, grab a spear and yell charge to head the attack!

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