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longstreet

join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX

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sigh

People getting booted are idiots. Just use an encrypted VPN to transfer, problem solved.

Can't content cop the P2P people when you can't decrypt what they are sending over your network.


RARPSL

join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY

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said by longstreet:

People getting booted are idiots. Just use an encrypted VPN to transfer, problem solved.

Can't content cop the P2P people when you can't decrypt what they are sending over your network.
Using a VPN to do the transfer still exposes your IPN to the Peers in the session (some of whom are the BayTCP spies working for the Media Companies). All this does is prevent the ISP from knowing what is being transferred.


longstreet

join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
Don't trade with people you don't know, simple as that. If I were going to share, it would only be to someone I know and only over a VPN via a P2P medium that doesn't make my IP available.

Again, if you are smart, there are ways around it.

fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

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reply to longstreet
"Given the popularity of downloading television shows via BitTorrent, you would think that Verizon or Qwest users would enjoy being informed about what kind of specific behavior they need to avoid to retain their broadband service, or what kind of protections or independent oversight processes are in place to prevent false accusations. We asked Qwest for a little more detail on their new anti-piracy effort, but the carrier didn't much feel like talking."

Karl states that people would enjoy being informed about what behavior they need to avoid? - These people already know. It's pretty clear that P2P transfers of TV shows and movies is against the TOS... so, the way I see it, they already know. So the statement made by Karl is about the same that comes out of the rear of a donkey's butt.

I do agree that false accusations need to be handled better.. however, from what I know of already, these people are being warned a few times before this happens. What else do they need? A representative to come to their house and talk to them personally in a 4th grade level?

I don't think it's the job of the ISP to school end users on the rules of right and wrong.. that's up to the end user to know. Ignorance of the law doesn't get you a free day in court, so I don't believe that it should apply to you in other aspects of your life. We all have the right to seek out information on what affects our lives.. the fact remains that most people don't, OR, are just wanting to be ignorant to the facts.. plausible deniability doesn't work.

And the fact that people would have to use a VPN to avoid what they know is already wrong just validates the fact that these people know they're breaking rules in the first place.


Vumes

join:2009-01-04
Beaverton, OR
reply to RARPSL
said by RARPSL:

said by longstreet:

People getting booted are idiots. Just use an encrypted VPN to transfer, problem solved.

Can't content cop the P2P people when you can't decrypt what they are sending over your network.
Using a VPN to do the transfer still exposes your IPN to the Peers in the session (some of whom are the BayTCP spies working for the Media Companies). All this does is prevent the ISP from knowing what is being transferred.
Exactly, so if they don't know what you're transferring, they really have proof of nothing. But as stated before, guilty, until proven innocent.


Bill Neilson
Premium
join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA
said by Vumes:

said by RARPSL:

said by longstreet:

People getting booted are idiots. Just use an encrypted VPN to transfer, problem solved.

Can't content cop the P2P people when you can't decrypt what they are sending over your network.
Using a VPN to do the transfer still exposes your IPN to the Peers in the session (some of whom are the BayTCP spies working for the Media Companies). All this does is prevent the ISP from knowing what is being transferred.
Exactly, so if they don't know what you're transferring, they really have proof of nothing. But as stated before, guilty, until proven innocent.
Just going by the way they are acting now, them not knowing exactly what you are downloading probably won't stop them.

They will just send you a vague letter referring to "illegal materials, etc..."


longstreet

join:2004-11-14
Plano, TX
No ISP is going to send you a vague letter when you use a VPN and you trade with a friend.

It's encrypted and your ISP doesn't have the key.

The whole reason people are getting disconnected is because they are dumb.

There isn't really much else to discuss.

Use an encrypted VPN = win