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Re: The Government Has Your Baby's DNA said by SUMware:Hardly a laughing matter. And who's laughing? Let me explain it.
- When faced with any intrusion into privacy, there is some element which will say "what does it matter if you've nothing to hide?". This is perfectly predictable; it happens almost every time.
- But of course, the "nothing to hide" argument is beside the point; the point is the individual right to privacy, full stop.
- Someone might well respond to your OP by writing that "of course, there will doubtless be those who advance the argument that if you've got nothing to hide...". However, one can more succinctly state the same thing in exactly the way that Steve did, confident that the actual meaning should be obvious.
- Alas, as shown, no matter how obvious one's point might be, somewhere there's someone who will misconstrue it. |
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4 edits | said by dave:said by SUMware:Hardly a laughing matter. And who's laughing? Let me explain it. - Someone might well respond to your OP by writing that "of course, there will doubtless be those who advance the argument that if you've got nothing to hide...". However, one can more succinctly state the same thing in exactly the way that Steve did, confident that the actual meaning should be obvious. - Alas, as shown, no matter how obvious one's point might be, somewhere there's someone who will misconstrue it. BS. Did the parents or child know that the child carried the gene indicating risk of cystic fibrosis (or anything else) prior to testing? If they did would they choose to hide it? How would any of that even be possible? Were they informed that records were maintained and shared? If the the parents or child knew prior to testing would they have agreed to testing? At any time, prior or post testing, were they offered the option of having the test results destroyed to preserve confidentiality? Were they afforded any privacy options? Are the parents now deeply concerned about their baby's future and implications of data sharing (or theft). Some people just seem intentionally blind to the issues. Sometimes real people face real agony and pain and unpleasant circumstance. Perhaps some readers here. Civil sensitivity may be appreciated. |
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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kudos:5 | Um, you realize that I'm on the same side as you, right? |
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SUMwarePremium
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2 edits | Understand. My response was to dave.  The concern is about the parents, their child, testing issues, data security, privacy. Not 'sides'. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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kudos:5 | said by SUMware:My response was to dave. Um, you realize that dave  is on the same side as you, right? |
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SUMwarePremium
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kudos:2 | Look guys, there's no need for you both to speak for each other.
We've all made our statements clear. Please let's not detract from this topic. |
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SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
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kudos:5 | said by SUMware: We've all made our statements clear. No, you really haven't - I have no idea what your beef is. |
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said by Steve:said by SUMware:My response was to dave. Um, you realize that dave is on the same side as you, right? LOL
Where's that sarcasm tag when you need it?
You should have used it here. Could have saved justin a few KBs storage  |
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Shades of "Gattica" ring forth from this story. Imagine being denied employment 20 years later because of your genetic history... scary. |
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1 edit | said by disconnected :
Shades of "Gattica" ring forth from this story. Imagine being denied employment 20 years later because of your genetic history... scary.
It's probably more to do with the job description and the danger/health considerations for the public and colleges.
It was a sad movie but the guy had a terminal disease of some description and NASA probably wouldn't let him become an astronaught even in todays society.
You would at least have 20 years depending on the disease/illness to try and enjoy your life.
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said by disconnected :
Shades of "Gattica" ring forth from this story. Imagine being denied employment 20 years later because of your genetic history... scary. Agreed. This process is in its early stages now.
Gattaca:
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Gattaca is a 1997 American science fiction drama film written and directed by Andrew Niccol, starring Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman and Jude Law with supporting roles played by Loren Dean, Ernest Borgnine, Gore Vidal and Alan Arkin. The film was a 1997 nominee for the Academy Award for Best Art Direction — Set Decoration.
The film presents a biopunk vision of a society driven by liberal eugenics. Children of the middle and upper classes are selected through preimplantation genetic diagnosis to ensure they possess the best hereditary traits of their parents. A genetic registry database uses biometrics to instantly identify and classify those so created as valids while those conceived by traditional means are derisively known as in-valids. While genetic discrimination is forbidden by law, in practice it is easy to profile one's genotype resulting in the Valids qualifying for professional employment while the In-Valids who are susceptible to disease are relegated to menial jobs. The movie draws on concerns over reproductive technologies which facilitate eugenics, and the possible consequences of such technological developments for society. It also explores the idea of destiny and the ways in which it can and does govern lives. Characters in Gattaca continually battle both with society and with themselves to find their place in the world and who they are destined to be according to their genes.
The title is based on the initial letters of the four DNA nitrogenous bases (adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine). During the credits the letters G, C, T, and A are all highlighted.
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