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Re: Vista Uac = Discovery to more flaws said by Tech9 :
Apparently...
Why does it still exist if people are mostly trash talking it and it still causes weird unknown bugs...
To answer your question, the perception you have of UAC is either flawed for non-technical reasons we won't examine or you happen to be one of the lucky few dependent on broken application software. You're not alone in your view but the crowd is pretty small. Democracy sucks when you're not in the majority, eh? |
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 tp0dyabbazooiePremium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
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This discussion is pretty amusing.
Note- the following does not apply to a shared computer, this is only related to a single-user computer.
I personally find it very annoying that my computer tells me what to do, and wont allow me to do things that I have in the past in XP with no complaints (with uac on).
First thing I did when I installed win7 was to disable uac, allocate all file permissions to ME, and disable the 'standard' system services (firewall, updates, sec. center).
Am I crazy? Some would say so, but I am an educated user. I do NOT want my machine thinking for me, and telling me what -I- can and cannot do. Bull-Shit!
Some sheeple may be happy with this (uac), and I might be coerced into putting up with it on a shared access machine, but I wont like it.
Next winbloz OS that has the same stuff, I`ll strive to remove it.
and just for the record, I have had no 'exploit' events or viri infections since I installed windoze 6.1.7600.16385 on 6/13/09. I use FF with noscript exclusively, IE8 has been used once on a rogue incompatible site.
Keep on clickin, uac zombies... lol
just my 2c
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tp0dyabbazooiePremium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
kudos:2
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said by munky99999:said by Steve:Users who have turned off UAC — especially on Win7 — have given up the right to complain about being exploited. UAC doesnt result in increased security at all. Windows needs to be fixed to be secure. Window's methodology of YOU GET THE RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING; until the admin takes some rights away, Is flawed. It should be... YOU CANT DO ANYTHING; until the admin allows you. Windows doesnt need to be fixed, or made more secure. The options to be more secure are available to everyone.
The problem lies between the keyboard and the chair. People are stupid. Thus, people will become infected. Very simple.
Keep getting infected people, I`m loving these winbloz reloads at 50$ a pop.. yay!
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 SteveI know your IP addressConsultant
join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5
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said by tp0d: Am I crazy? Some would say so, but I am an educated user. I do NOT want my machine thinking for me, and telling me what -I- can and cannot do. Bull-Shit! Let's see how this applies generally:I do not want my front door thinking for me and telling me what I can and cannot do. I do not want to use a key to get into my home I do not want to saddle my children with something uncomfortable - they should not have to wear a helmet while riding a bike I'm a safe driver, I don't want the State telling me what to do: I shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt Darwin — and not the Apple kind — rules. |
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quote:
First thing I did when I installed win7 was to disable uac, allocate all file permissions to ME, and disable the 'standard' system services (firewall, updates, sec. center).
turning off updates sounds more like you pirated it. That's not really a smart thing to do. The rest is alright i guess.
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and just for the record, I have had no 'exploit' events or viri infections since I installed windoze 6.1.7600.16385 on 6/13/09. I use FF with noscript exclusively, IE8 has been used once on a rogue incompatible site.
Sounds more like you've been rootkited and your antivirus(if you even have one) has been rendered useless; scanning a computer that is entirely virtual. Plainly... you've been infected and dont know it. Also not being infected for all of 7 months isnt that impressive.
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Windows doesnt need to be fixed, or made more secure. The options to be more secure are available to everyone.
Ya those options are bsd or linux. You pretty much cant secure a windows machine.
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Keep getting infected people, I`m loving these winbloz reloads at 50$ a pop.. yay!
And that's why IT doesnt push people away from windows. It's the factor of,. how are we going to make money off you? While active directory comes along and tries to secure things... while most other servers end up being linux or bsd; as the job of redoing servers isnt far more trouble then the 15 minute job for $50.
The reason users dont push away from windows is mostly because of them hating CHANGE so much. People dont even want to change from XP to 7... because it's too much change. |
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tp0dyabbazooiePremium
join:2001-02-13
Carnegie, PA
kudos:2 | reply to Steve
See, you're applying my words to a shared resource, where I stated it was only for a single-use resource.
Now, the seatbelt option I will have to agree with. I dont usually wear my seatbelt, unless the wife is with me and she yells at me. Yea its kinda stupid, but I do a LOT of mileage yearly (24k+) and have had no accidents since 98. Quite a few were avoided due to defensive driving, and I could have been hit numerous times had I not paid attention (another issue with the 'general' public I could rant about)
Do you lock yourself down with the UAC steve?
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tp0dyabbazooiePremium
join:2001-02-13
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kudos:2 | reply to munky99999
said by munky99999: quote:
First thing I did when I installed win7 was to disable uac, allocate all file permissions to ME, and disable the 'standard' system services (firewall, updates, sec. center).
turning off updates sounds more like you pirated it. That's not really a smart thing to do. The rest is alright i guess. quote:
and just for the record, I have had no 'exploit' events or viri infections since I installed windoze 6.1.7600.16385 on 6/13/09. I use FF with noscript exclusively, IE8 has been used once on a rogue incompatible site.
Sounds more like you've been rootkited and your antivirus(if you even have one) has been rendered useless; scanning a computer that is entirely virtual. Plainly... you've been infected and dont know it. Also not being infected for all of 7 months isnt that impressive. quote:
Windows doesnt need to be fixed, or made more secure. The options to be more secure are available to everyone.
Ya those options are bsd or linux. You pretty much cant secure a windows machine. quote:
Keep getting infected people, I`m loving these winbloz reloads at 50$ a pop.. yay!
And that's why IT doesnt push people away from windows. It's the factor of,. how are we going to make money off you? While active directory comes along and tries to secure things... while most other servers end up being linux or bsd; as the job of redoing servers isnt far more trouble then the 15 minute job for $50. The reason users dont push away from windows is mostly because of them hating CHANGE so much. People dont even want to change from XP to 7... because it's too much change. I gleaned this copy of 7 off the intertubes, yes. But only because I didnt want to buy an OEM machine just to get 7. I do own multiple copies of XP that are licensed, and NONE of them run updates. I also maintain the 6 machines at my office, and guess what.. none update. I maintain 3 more xp machines at a distributor friend of mine, once again, never an update, and NONE of them have gone up in smoke... funny how that is.
Ok, I know i`m not the sheeple norm, and I may be thrown into an unmarked black van by MS for preaching against the bloat of updates, but this works well for me. and I will keep on it, as it hasnt failed me yet.
ok.. im done now.
-j
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 Rogue WolfAte Your Homework, And Framed The Dog
join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY | reply to munky99999
said by munky99999:It should be... YOU CANT DO ANYTHING; until the admin allows you. Sort of throwing usability right out the window, aren't we? I am really, really not interested in having to click "OK", enter a password, perform a fingerprint scan, submit a DNA test, etc. etc. every time I want to play Solitare.
What is it with the fringe elements of the security crowd that want to lock down computers to the point we can hardly use them? I like being secure, I like not having my computer owned, but I also like BEING ABLE TO DO THINGS on it too.
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join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA
kudos:5 | reply to tp0d
said by tp0d: I dont usually wear my seatbelt, You are an idiot. Let's take a vote.Do you lock yourself down with the UAC steve? I have been a limited user on XP since SP2, and on Win7 I am a non-admin user who provides an admin credential every time I need to elevate.
I walk the walk. |
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said by Steve:Users who have turned off UAC — especially on Win7 — have given up the right to complain about being exploited. Couldn't agree more! All the wrong people are disabling UAC, the kind of people that shouldn't be running as an admin, and then complaining when they're nailed by trojans which they have no idea where they came from! Hah! |
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said by tp0d:Now, the seatbelt option I will have to agree with. I dont usually wear my seatbelt, unless the wife is with me and she yells at me. Yea its kinda stupid... Quite off-topic, but as a car accident very near here this last month left 12 children orphaned, because neither parent was wearing a seatbelt, you may want to reconsider your driving habits. It's quite likely they'd never had a car accident before, either. Too late for them to start now.
Back on-topic: UAC is there to make up for overly-generous privileges Windows gave every user from back in the 90s. Joe Blow is used to just clicking once and getting it done. Joe will click YES to anything just to get on with it. Too little, too late, for many. Computers are tools, not appliances, but they've been marketed as appliances. It's so easy to get online, get connected, get infected... As someone who works on an IT help desk, there are way too many people who really shouldn't be anywhere near a computer... I often wonder who dressed them and drove them to work. |
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24 hours later and no followup post. Another drive-by anon poster. |
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 DownTheShoreTag, you're itPremium
join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
kudos:11 | reply to Tech9
Ah well, it was an interesting discussion anyway. The sensible people got to post the information that newbies reading the thread might need, and those who like to live dangerously got to beat their chests and sneer at the rest of us.   |
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 La LunaSurvived AshrafulPremium
join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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said by urbanriot:Couldn't agree more! All the wrong people are disabling UAC, the kind of people that shouldn't be running as an admin, and then complaining when they're nailed by trojans which they have no idea where they came from! Hah! And you can be sure they will never admit that they've been nailed either! |
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 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to Steve
Re: Vista Uac = Discovery to more flaws said by Steve:said by BlitzenZeus:Either software was not designed to run as a user, on purpose, or it's just poorly written. Then there are the users who are just too lazy to do one to two more clicks for their own protection as they don't want to use a user account. People don't need to run every piece of software on their computer as an admin, and this is the way it has been in businesses for years. People assume so much about uac, but all it comes down to is software is poorly written or the user can't stand the software second guessing their actions when it's there for their protection. I am happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with BlitzenZeus  on this. Users who have turned off UAC — especially on Win7 — have given up the right to complain about being exploited. id run it is i could on my main PC issue is i have some software that just will not work with it on sucks
my laptop i keep it on and just turned down one |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to StudioTech
said by StudioTech:24 hours later and no followup post. Another drive-by anon poster. that or there pc finally blew up >.> bet he works for "Geeksquad"
ah well |
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