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| But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. |
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Good luck to them indeed. I wonder if they even paid attention to what happened to AT&T when they blocked them. They will learn soon that you don't block 4chan  |
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| So what exactly happened to ATT? I missed that. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. Judge, Jury, and Executioner you are. Typical... |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while.
Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P |
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The block was eventually lifted if memory serves. AT&T had noticed a considerable amount of malicious traffic with regards to 4chan and blocked it in response. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. 4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders. We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler.
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said by PapaMidnight:And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while. Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P I'm sure your computer has a "hosts" file. 
The best censorship is self-censorship.
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said by funchords:said by fAcEtIOUs:But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. 4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders. We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler. But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well. |
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3 edits | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by funchords:said by fAcEtIOUs:But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors. 4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders. We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler. But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well. So let me get your thinking straight..ONLY ISPs that is the establishment has the right to censor or take action they believe is good for me whether I believe it is or not..ammirite? It is better to think of the users of 4 chan as an organic entity that will lash out against attack..whether you agree or not THIS WILL HAPPEN..it is just how they operate. We are tought young to stand up to bullies..this is just the digital version of that....
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said by funchords:said by PapaMidnight:And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while. Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P I'm sure your computer has a "hosts" file. The best censorship is self-censorship. I don't disagree with you, I just have a highly ingrained personal disdain for 4chan and specifically what occurs on that board that is somewhat affecting my typical impartial nature with regards to what is placed on the net. With that in mind, you'll understand my bias in this situation. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well. So we shut down Google because someone can use it to search about how to burn down a house?
Yeah, we don't censor the net. That's what China is for.
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said by PapaMidnight:I don't disagree with you, I just have a highly ingrained personal disdain for 4chan and specifically what occurs on that board that is somewhat affecting my typical impartial nature with regards to what is placed on the net. With that in mind, you'll understand my bias in this situation. I do, thank you!
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said by funchords:said by fAcEtIOUs:But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well. So we shut down Google because someone can use it to search about how to burn down a house? Comparison is rather flawed, Google doesn't advocate burning down someone's house. Can't say the same for 4-chan who has no qualms with taking things to real life. |
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Brooklyn, NY | 4chan doesn't.
people that post there do.
now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan.
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| said by MxxCon:4chan doesn't. people that post there do. now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan. There are plenty of message board communities that are moderated effectively so as to not allow this behavior. Huge difference between outright blocking and moderating. |
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said by IluvCharter :
So what exactly happened to ATT? I missed that.
they discovered the block was inappropriate and lifted it within hours of it happening. In those say 6 hours or so... the ATT ceo had been reported dead; all the articles indicating that he was a visionary who made ATT work. All the investors then were communicated this fact and the other facts of how they are going to lose ALOT of customers.
Guess what. The same thing will likely happen to verizon now. Except this time they've communicated that it's explicit and meant to happen.
This means that any investors or stock owners... will look at the last month for verizon's stock. See that it's been going down all month, Now they are going to go head to head with 4chan? Whose members are pretty much uninhibited in what they are willing to do. Verizon will likely be lucky if they only just cancel their services. Either way, it'll almost certainly mean verizon caves in and unblocks... or loses ALOT of customers.
Lose/Lose for verizon. |
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"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
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| said by bolt:"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact." Which makes anything said and done on the board acceptable, brilliant. |
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