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<description><![CDATA[Selenia posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/118623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=118623');">MxxCon</a>:</small><br><br>4chan doesn't.<br>people that post there do.<br>now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan.<br> </div>I say that is their duty, at least for the moderators, and I am saying this as a former mod, sysop, and admin of several sites. With that being said, I have checked out 4chan in the past. It is the most pointless site ever, but the mods seem to be doing their job. Grotesque content gets routinely posted, but the worst seems to go away quite quickly, on average. It's just their users are persistent idiots that are allowed to post anonymously and keep reposting as it keeps being taken down. Now if I was to look at whether the admins/sysops are doing an adequate job, I would say no. There is much that can be done on a technical level to contain the threat a board like 4chan can pose and it just isn't done. I respect their mods because they put up with a lot, but still try and do their jobs quickly enough. However, the admins/sysops need a good swift kick in the teeth.<br><small>--<br>deltree /y C:\*.*</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GamerGeek posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1654924" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1654924');">NOCTech75</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/118623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=118623');">MxxCon</a>:</small><br><br>4chan doesn't.<br>people that post there do.<br>now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan.<br> </div>There are plenty of message board communities that are moderated effectively so as to not allow this behavior. Huge difference between outright blocking and moderating.<br> </div>I don't think you quite understand the volume of posts made on a <strong>minute by minute</strong> basis on 4chan.<br><br>    * Total posts: 398,127,475<br>    * Current users: 45,426<br>    * Active content: 14 GB<br><br>How many message boards do you know of that have forty five THOUSAND currently active readers? And that's just in the past 10 minutes during the stats refresh. Just wait for the 400000000get! That number will go up x5 easily.<br><br>What few moderators that board does employ can't do much more than piss to put out the fire, but they DO take care of the really horrifying garbage fairly quickly.<br><br>My guess as to what happened:<br>Some script kiddie was running a botnet on a spoofed 4chan IP range. Verizon sees it coming across their network and put a halt to it toot sweet. The shitheads start crying CONSPIRACY!! and the wagons start circling. Seen it happen dozens of times, and it'll happen again.<br><br>**EDIT**<br><br>In the 3 minutes it took me to write this message, the post count increased to 398,137,810. A little over 10k posts in under 5 minutes? Wait until Friday, my man...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1649818" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1649818');">chimera</a>:</small><br><br>Correct, but most states have similar laws that apply both to them and local municipalities.  In addition congress has the authority to regulate interstate and international commerce which the internet does fall under.  Since most ISPs and every major ISP is a multi-state entity the regulation of these falls to congress and the federal government.<br><br>As such it is the federal governments place to say if an ISP has the right to block off content as ISPs are using public land and int he case of wireless networks, public airwaves all of which is regulated by federal, state and local governments.  Denying them access would cause problems as major providers are already too big to fail, so for all practical purposes they are already part of the governing apparatus of this country.<br> </div>very well said. Public thumbs up.<br><small>--<br>standard disclaimers apply.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Asmodeus posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/648847" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=648847');">Steve Jobs</a>:</small><br><br>Good luck, Verizon.<br> </div>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>Do you know what you've just done? You are now going to be meme'ed to death.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chimera posted : Correct, but most states have similar laws that apply both to them and local municipalities.  In addition congress has the authority to regulate interstate and international commerce which the internet does fall under.  Since most ISPs and every major ISP is a multi-state entity the regulation of these falls to congress and the federal government.<br><br>As such it is the federal governments place to say if an ISP has the right to block off content as ISPs are using public land and int he case of wireless networks, public airwaves all of which is regulated by federal, state and local governments.  Denying them access would cause problems as major providers are already too big to fail, so for all practical purposes they are already part of the governing apparatus of this country.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Crysin posted : Also 4chan doesn't plan DDoS attacks, sorry to disappoint but the most cooperation that goes on in any of those boards is swearing and mocking of each other.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[David posted : Actually. 4chan admitted they screwed up. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/4chan/" >www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/4chan/</A><br><br>We were not the only ones that blocked according to NANOG:<br><br>About &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/remark,22774121">From what it looks like here:</A><br><br>I still liked this line the best<br><div class="bquote"><small> Said by moot in article above</small><br><br>Now 4chan&#146;s founder, Moot, has admitted that his network was sending spurious traffic, but he still faults AT&T for going too far with its response.<br><br></div>yea.... and that's why the other ISP's were starting to block as well as AT&T? I would have loved to heard his answer for that one. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[John McClane posted : flash mobs are legal. at least in the united states.<br><small>--<br>sbcglobal.net speedtest result 11/11/09 - 5256kbps</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PapaMidnight posted : Just as an added note, the Phillip Dampier over at StopTheCap says he has no issues what so ever. He also gives some insight which some people might want to think about.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2010/02/08/4chan-claims-verizon-wireless-is-blocking-them-but-are-they/" >stopthecap.com/2010/02/08/4chan-&middot;&middot;&middot;re-they/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Gbcue posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/552990" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=552990');">insomniac84</a>:</small><br><br>What do you mean the venue does nothing to stop them?  It shuts down any thread with illegal stuff in it.  But outside of child porn, everything is legal.  Welcome to america.<br> </div>Planning and executing DDos attacks is not legal.<br> </div>What's the difference between a DDos attack and a flash mob?<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My Blog 2.0</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I think the number of people who cancel their Verizon account over them blocking 4chan would be quite low or nonexistent. The rest of what you are talking about..what I can understand...seems like an exaggeration. I can't imagine anyone at AT&T losing any sleep over what happened. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Der_Idiot posted : The shear number of posts that come in, and the massive size of the userbase prohibit threads from being instantly deleted.<br><br>This stuff doesn't get done by magic, you know.  :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Noah Vail posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1701013" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1701013');">EdmundGerber</a>:</small><br><br>Judge, Jury, and Executioner you are. Typical... </div><div class="bquote"><small>said by <A HREF="http://www.inquisitr.com/60908/verizon-wireless-blocks-4chan/">The Inquisitr</a> :</small><br><br>****Moot has posted twice on the 4chan status blog seemingly confirming that the lack of access was a conscious decision by someone at Verizon:<br><br>Over the past 72 hours, we&#146;ve been receiving reports from<br>    Verizon Wireless customers having difficulty accessing the <br>    image boards.<br><br>    After investigating, we found that Verizon is dropping traffic<br>    to/from boards.4chan.org, only on port 80 (HTTP). No other <br>    subdomain/IP/port is affected, which leads us to believe this <br>    block is intentional.<br><br>    A call was placed to their support staff last night, and we <br>    were told that the ticket would not be looked at until <br>    Monday at the earliest, and: &#147;You&#146;ll need the customer to <br>    call to request it be unblocked&#133;&#148;<br><br>    If you&#146;ve been affected by this block, please contact Verizon<br>    Wireless customer support. The numbers we were given are: <br>    &#147;Verizon Wireless NRB: (866) 298-5373&#8243; and &#147;Verizon <br>    Wireless DSO: (800) 770-1179&#8243;.<br><br>    Note: Users with mobile browsers that proxy (BlackBerry, <br>    Opera) won&#146;t necessarily have issues accessing the boards.<br><br>****And the follow up:<br><br>After an hour and a half on the phone, we&#146;ve received <br>    confirmation from Verizon&#146;s Network Repair Bureau (NRB) that <br>    we are &#147;explicitly blocked.&#148;<br><br>    If you&#146;ve been affected by the block, please call Verizon NRB <br>    at (866) 298-5373 to file a complaint.<br><br>    EDIT: If NRB can&#146;t help you, try Verizon Wireless Support at <br>    (800) 922-0204.<br><br>****The Washington Post reports that if the site was deliberately blocked due to off-color content, Verizon may be violating FCC rules:<br><br>    If true, the move would violate guidelines by the Federal Communications Commission that prohibit Internet service providers such as Verizon, AT&T and Comcast from shutting down Web sites for their subscribers. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is crafting controversial regulations that would make those principles stronger and allow the agency to punish companies that don&#146;t treat all content equally on the Web.<br><br>****However, a series of tweets just posted on the account of a man who describes himself as the &#147;Verizon Wireless PR Guy&#148; rapidly back away from the suggestion that the 4chan block was intentional:<br><br>    @jlist No 4Chan block, but protecting network for users always top priority.<br><br>    Buby23 4Chan has green-light again. Never a block on 4Chan but some of its other sites were launching network attacks.<br><br>    @mediagadfly Some 4Chan web sites potentially disruptive of Verizon network now have green-light. We are monitoring network for harm<br><br>If that&#146;s the position they&#146;re taking, I hope they&#146;ll take the time to explain why a representative for Verizon seems to have indicated otherwise.<br><br>****Update: The PR rep above denies <A HREF="http://twitter.com/JNels/status/8819679334">Verizon blocked 4chan for content</a>:<br><br>    Verizon doesn&#146;t monitor wireless web connections for content, communication type or style. We will ward off attacks on our network.</div>NV]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NOCTech75 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1692995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1692995');">Chubbysumo</a>:</small><br><br>freedom of speech(the first amendment to the US constitution) <br> </div>Wrong argument, please reread the 1st amendment to the US Constitution:<br><br>"<b>Congress</b> shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Chubbysumo posted : DDoS and personal army requests are a permaban(IP address based) on 4chan, and the site does fall under freedom of speech(the first amendment to the US constitution), and the site is constantly policed by moderators and admins to remove posts that are against the rules, as well as all pics that are against the rules and/or illegal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/552990" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=552990');">insomniac84</a>:</small><br><br>What do you mean the venue does nothing to stop them?  It shuts down any thread with illegal stuff in it.  But outside of child porn, everything is legal.  Welcome to america.<br> </div>Planning and executing DDos attacks is not legal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NOCTech75 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/897940" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=897940');">bolt</a>:</small><br><br>"The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.<br>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."<br> </div>Which makes anything said and done on the board acceptable, brilliant.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[munky99999 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by IluvCharter :</small><br><br>So what exactly happened to ATT? I missed that. <br> </div>they discovered the block was inappropriate and lifted it within hours of it happening. In those say 6 hours or so... the ATT ceo had been reported dead; all the articles indicating that he was a visionary who made ATT work. All the investors then were communicated this fact and the other facts of how they are going to lose ALOT of customers.<br><br>Guess what. The same thing will likely happen to verizon now. Except this time they've communicated that it's explicit and meant to happen.<br><br>This means that any investors or stock owners... will look at the last month for verizon's stock. See that it's been going down all month, Now they are going to go head to head with 4chan? Whose members are pretty much uninhibited in what they are willing to do. Verizon will likely be lucky if they only just cancel their services. Either way, it'll almost certainly mean verizon caves in and unblocks... or loses ALOT of customers.<br><br>Lose/Lose for verizon.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NOCTech75 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/118623" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=118623');">MxxCon</a>:</small><br><br>4chan doesn't.<br>people that post there do.<br>now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan.<br> </div>There are plenty of message board communities that are moderated effectively so as to not allow this behavior. Huge difference between outright blocking and moderating.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[MxxCon posted : 4chan doesn't.<br>people that post there do.<br>now if you'll say 4chan admins should moderate their forums would be no different from saying Google should block 4chan.<br><small>--<br>Check out my awesome city of MxxTopia &raquo;<A HREF="http://mxxtopia.myminicity.com/ind" >mxxtopia.myminicity.com/ind</A>  or &raquo;<A HREF="http://mxxtopia.myminicity.com" >mxxtopia.myminicity.com</A> (the more people visit, the bigger it is)</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[NOCTech75 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/340409" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=340409');">funchords</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well.<br> </div>So we shut down Google because someone can use it to search about how to burn down a house?  <br> </div>Comparison is rather flawed, Google doesn't advocate burning down someone's house. Can't say the same for 4-chan who has no qualms with taking things to real life.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1611710" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1611710');">PapaMidnight</a>:</small><br><br>I don't disagree with you, I just have a highly ingrained personal disdain for 4chan and specifically what occurs on that board that is somewhat affecting my typical impartial nature with regards to what is placed on the net. With that in mind, you'll understand my bias in this situation.<br> </div>I do, thank you!  :)<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL<br><i>Tweet! Tweet!</i> -- &raquo;<A HREF="http://twitter.com/funchords" >twitter.com/funchords</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well.<br> </div>So we shut down Google because someone can use it to search about how to burn down a house?  <br><br>Yeah, we don't censor the net. That's what China is for.<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL<br><i>Tweet! Tweet!</i> -- &raquo;<A HREF="http://twitter.com/funchords" >twitter.com/funchords</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:30:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[PapaMidnight posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/340409" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=340409');">funchords</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1611710" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1611710');">PapaMidnight</a>:</small><br><br>And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a <b>bad</b> thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while.<br><br>Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P<br> </div>I'm sure your computer has a "hosts" file. :-) <br><br>The best censorship is self-censorship. <br> </div>I don't disagree with you, I just have a highly ingrained personal disdain for 4chan and specifically what occurs on that board that is somewhat affecting my typical impartial nature with regards to what is placed on the net. With that in mind, you'll understand my bias in this situation.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:22:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Hangmn posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/340409" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=340409');">funchords</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders.  We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler.<br> </div>But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well.<br> </div>So let me get your thinking straight..ONLY ISPs that is the establishment has the right to censor or take action they believe is good for me whether I believe it is or not..ammirite? It is better to think of the users of 4 chan as an organic entity that will lash out against attack..whether you agree or not THIS WILL HAPPEN..it is just how they operate. We are tought young to stand up to bullies..this is just the digital version of that....<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://davescustompc.com" >davescustompc.com</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/340409" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=340409');">funchords</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders.  We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler.<br> </div>But when they crossover from talking to ACTING then they must face the consequences of their actions. And when the venue hosting their ACTIONS does nothing to stop them, then the venue has to pay the price as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1611710" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1611710');">PapaMidnight</a>:</small><br><br>And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a <b>bad</b> thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while.<br><br>Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P<br> </div>I'm sure your computer has a "hosts" file. :-) <br><br>The best censorship is self-censorship. <br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL<br><i>Tweet! Tweet!</i> -- &raquo;<A HREF="http://twitter.com/funchords" >twitter.com/funchords</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:14:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[funchords posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>4Chan is no more rogue than any playground full of foul-mouthed 6th-graders.  We don't shut down playgrounds just because some kids start giggling about anatomy or make up songs about teachers hitting with the ruler.<br><small>--<br>Robb Topolski -= <A HREF="http://funchords.com/">funchords.com</a> =- District of Columbia  -- KJ7RL<br><i>Tweet! Tweet!</i> -- &raquo;<A HREF="http://twitter.com/funchords" >twitter.com/funchords</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PapaMidnight posted : The block was eventually lifted if memory serves. AT&T had noticed a considerable amount of malicious traffic with regards to 4chan and blocked it in response.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:29:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[PapaMidnight posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/648847" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=648847');">Steve Jobs</a>:</small><br><br>Good luck, Verizon.<br> </div>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>And here I thought I was the only one who was under the distinct impression that this wasn't necessarily a <b>bad</b> thing. Good to be disproved every once in a while.<br><br>Slight edit: I was in direct reference to 4chan's removal. I do honestly believe Verizon has done the internet a favor :P]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[EdmundGerber posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/594412" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=594412');">ThrowDemsOut</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/648847" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=648847');">Steve Jobs</a>:</small><br><br>Good luck, Verizon.<br> </div>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.<br> </div>Judge, Jury, and Executioner you are. Typical...]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:23:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : So what exactly happened to ATT? I missed that. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:07:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[powerspec88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/648847" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=648847');">Steve Jobs</a>:</small><br><br>Good luck, Verizon.<br> </div>Good luck to them indeed.  I wonder if they even paid attention to what happened to AT&T when they blocked them.  They will learn soon that you don't block 4chan ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ThrowDemsOut posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/648847" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=648847');">Steve Jobs</a>:</small><br><br>Good luck, Verizon.<br> </div>But rogue sites like 4Chan that initiate, and often encourage, DDos attacks and other hacking attempts should be blocked. In fact, they should be shut down and prosecuted. All legally, of course. This is just another case where the laws have been insufficient to police the internet and shut down bad actors.]]></description>
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