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zombieman05

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Re: Career path / directional help?

Thank you every one for the well written responses. Only reason I'm hesitant about college again, because I've already paid a lot for ITT tech, and don't feel like i have received my monies worth as far as education goes.

Also in this time of economic problems, is it even worth it to invest the time (and large some of money) into getting say a bachelors in cs? I'll be able to afford college here in 3 months, and just trying to get as much information i can from people.

pablo
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Hi,

I went to the ITT Tech website and I see BS's are offered but not in Computer Science. There's a huge difference between Computer Science and Information Systems.

If possible, get (a) student loan(s) to complete your studies. If you aspire to only live in the IT world, it's not critical to have a BS in CS however I have found it quite helpful. You'll clearly differentiate yourself from the rest of the herd.

btw, I grew up relatively poor. I took out four loans (one per year) to get my University degree. I also had work-study. I've since paid off the loans and I can say it has been one of my best (only? investments!

As for anecdotal accounts of Jill-Developer who doesn't have a degree and now works for the-latest-hottest-company, yes, it does happen. Just like the person who smokes two packs a day and lives to 120.

I've worked with people who are not formally educated. I have found they tax the overall team more as we have to do clean-up in their wake. Almost as bad as those who claim they are multi-taskers. .... but not as.

Cheers,
-pablo
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munky99999
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said by pablo:

As for anecdotal accounts of Jill-Developer who doesn't have a degree and now works for the-latest-hottest-company, yes, it does happen. Just like the person who smokes two packs a day and lives to 120.
Bill Gates doesnt have a degree. Steve Jobs doesnt have a degree.

Though ya. Never become a programmer as your job if you dont get a computer science degree. Dont become a game developer without some game development degree behind you neither. Same goes for security researchers.

I think though to work in IT or to pentest for that matter. You can have some pretty sloppy programming skills and get by just fine. Their main job role isnt so much in programming. If they can program something... even if it turns out to be sloppy, inefficient and bad. It doesnt really hurt. So long as it's working. Not to mention alot of the code is already out there. Alot of it is copy and paste.

Pentesters and such arent so much interested in coding. They are there to find the holes; and somewhat how to use them limitedly. It's for programmers to do the actual coding and fix problems and such.

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Security based certifications are completely useless. Dont get them. Unless you plan to work for the company who puts out the cert; which also isnt that suggested.

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