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Re: Ah, a free ISP

Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:13:18 EDT

cameronsfx posted :

said by patcat88:

Prius drivers need to be put in prison for gas tax evasion :D

My car runs on Moonshine. No taxes here. :D

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:28:14 EDT

anon posted : Thats why they want to tax you based on miles driven since the mpg of most cars is going up, and the gas taxes arn't enough to pay for road upkeep anymore. :-(

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:39:32 EDT

anon posted : Did you know that the state now has a computer that is hooked directly into the insurance company computers? The state is so desperate for money they have a computer program like a stock trading program watching the car insurance of every California driver. If your insurance lapses they cancel the car registration.

You don't have to be driving the car to have your registration cancelled. You don't have to be pulled over and get a ticket for no insurance to have your registration cancelled.

If you are sitting in your living room watching TV with the car parked in the driveway like it has been for the last 6 months and the insurance lapses on the car? The registration for the car will be cancelled and the greedy pathetic state charges $15 for someone to click the yes/no mouse button to reinstate the registration.

Computers and other technology are going to monitor every aspect of our lives so the state can charge you for smoking where you shouldn't, parking where you shouldn't, or even jaywalking, without ever being stopped by a policeman!!!!!!

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:33:57 EDT

RARPSL posted :

said by rradina:

Didn't this happen to the tobacco folks? All the negative cancer-causing PR finally has usage down and to make up, they just keep raising the taxes in the name of the chronic health care problems it creates and how that's a huge burden to society. I suspect that's true but I seriously doubt if those tax revenues are used to help cover costs related to tobacco use.

(Just so folks know, I've never been a smoker and other than in principle, I don't care if they tax tobacco to death.)

The taxes, to some extent, are used to pay for subsidies to Tobacco Farmers to help them grow more Tobacco. IMO, the subsidies should be cut off and applied to paying them to switch to an alternate crop (and totally phased out over a 3 year period). If the Government says that it is bad for you, why are they supporting it? Just collect the "sin" taxes on it but DO NOT support the Tobacco Drug Dealers by paying them to grow it.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:11:11 EDT

hwertz7 posted : Can I get my gas tax money back then? Since Iowa refuses to have a motorcycle helmet law we do not get any federal road funds, and have the worst roads in the country.

Anyway, no way would I put a GPS thing in my car reporting to some bureaucrats how much and where I drove. I would rather drive on gravel roads. Well, more gravel roads.

And back on topic, lets see how it works for the ISP if they cut off Google. Not well I expect. What a bunch of wankers.

Re: Google BECOMING an ISP they announced today

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:34:24 EDT

KrK posted :

said by Linklist We'll operate an "open access" network, giving users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past advocacy, we'll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and transparent way.[/BQUOTE :

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This is the most awesome part of all. If Google picks your area, you could open up a "mom & pop" ISP and yet use Google's FTTH to get it to customers.

This is the ideal scenario!
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Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:39:10 EDT

Kearnstd posted : some parts of Asia all cars have to have EZ-Pass(well something like it) and you get billed for entering that area. they just have the transmitters on overheads.
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Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:41:10 EDT

KrK posted :

said by AlexNYC:

WOW ... surely that can't be true .... you are joking right?

Nope. Some parts of the World already do this, your tax is based on how much you drive, and where and when you drive, not your gallons of fuel.

As cars become more fuel efficient, revenues from gasoline taxes fall, and cash strapped states look to other ways to make money.

The idea of "a per mile" tax or roadway toll tracking system aren't new, but the movement is gathering more steam.

Not only that, they can charge you extra for driving into congested areas, at rush hour, etc to encourage "traffic control" or alternative forms of transport.
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:30:02 EDT

patcat88 posted :

said by Z80A:

If they want to raise taxes, let them put it on the ballot and say it's to pay the bloated pensions of gov't workers and see how far they get. But no, after wasting all the money the first thing they run and cut is roads and public safety because they think they can raise taxes with those threats.

Public safety IS the poster child for bloated pensions. If you let citizens vote on tax increases, they will always vote no, and they will always vote yes on spending. See california's problem for details.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:27:24 EDT

patcat88 posted : What about state gas taxes?

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:26:11 EDT

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Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:18:10 EDT

ReformCRTC posted : That's a good pic of Ed Whitacre...a two year old.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:10:40 EDT

Z80A posted : That is the point. The gov't has the transportation dollars but they steal to fund their other waste.

So I don't want to hear how they don't have money for road construction. That is like a drug addict who just wasted all his money on meth complaining that he now has no money to pay the light bill.

If they want to raise taxes, let them put it on the ballot and say it's to pay the bloated pensions of gov't workers and see how far they get. But no, after wasting all the money the first thing they run and cut is roads and public safety because they think they can raise taxes with those threats.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:05:16 EDT

rahvin112 posted : The gas tax funds highway reconstruction. All Gas tax money is put into the Highway Trust Fund which is redisbursed to the states to pay to repair those pot holes you complain about. At the same time the gas tax hasn't been increased since the mid 80's. This worked for a long time because even though the tax wasn't increased to match inflation driver miles increased yearly increasing the revenue from the gas tax. Since 2008 gas tax revenues have been dropping. It's a non-starter (Pelosi said it wasn't even on the table) to raise the tax to compensate for 30 years of inflation that was never taken into account. As a result states are proposing the idea of per mile taxes as an easier sell to the public.

The reality is that in 2008 the highway trust fund was exhausted. Gas tax revenues no longer can cover needed construction and as a result we are now borrowing to rebuild roads. Personally I'd like to see the federal gas tax raised from the current $0.17 to $.30 and indexed against inflation. Otherwise we are all going to be driving on gravel roads soon, some rural areas have already started ripping out paved roads, without considering that gravel roads can have higher maintenance costs. Bitch about the per mile all you want, but if you really want to fix the problem you need to petition your rep's to raise the gas tax.

Re: Google BECOMING an ISP they announced today

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:01:44 EDT

Z80A posted : From that quoted item, they aren't the "ISP", they would be the infrastructure. Users would have their choice of ISP. That is unless Google would be one of the content provider choices. Just like DSL line sharing, if you get DSL Extreme, your ISP is DSL Extreme even if it is running over AT&T's or VZ's Cu.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:54:44 EDT

rradina posted : That's friggin' ridiculous. Be green! Be efficient! Help us limit our dependence on foreign oil.

OH SHOOT! Uh...wait a minute. We didn't mean it. Please by more gas because we tax it to death and...

Didn't this happen to the tobacco folks? All the negative cancer-causing PR finally has usage down and to make up, they just keep raising the taxes in the name of the chronic health care problems it creates and how that's a huge burden to society. I suspect that's true but I seriously doubt if those tax revenues are used to help cover costs related to tobacco use.

(Just so folks know, I've never been a smoker and other than in principle, I don't care if they tax tobacco to death.)

Google BECOMING an ISP they announced today

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:59:00 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by Z80A:

Notice to the leeching double dipping ISPs...without compelling content like that from google, you wouldn't have any HSI subscribers.

Meanwhile Google should refuse to pay any bounty and BLOCK access from any ISP that actively traffic shapes their content. The ISP would crumble soon enough.

Google has decided to get in the game themselves:

»googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/···tal.html

today we're announcing an experiment of our own.

We're planning to build and test ultra high-speed broadband networks in a small number of trial locations across the United States. We'll deliver Internet speeds more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have access to today with 1 gigabit per second, fiber-to-the-home connections. We plan to offer service at a competitive price to at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people.

We'll operate an "open access" network, giving users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past advocacy, we'll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and transparent way.

As a first step, today we're putting out a request for information (RFI) to help identify interested communities. We welcome responses from local government, as well as members of the public. If you'd like to respond, visit this page to learn more, or check out our video:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=wusklcNK···embedded

This opens up a whole new can of net neutrality worms since Google is the biggest content provider and will now be an ISP as well.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:43:49 EDT

Z80A posted : Works for ESPN360.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:38:24 EDT

swhx7 posted : It would be just as reasonable for Google to demand fees from the consumer ISPs for responding to web requests from those IPs. With two ISPs in an area, if one paid the fees the other would be at a disadvantag by not "offering" Google on its network.

That would be Google going "evil" (contrary to its supposed slogan). But it would be the same thing these ISPs are trying now, in reverse. Why not ISPs pay Google - and Google pay ISPs - and make the fees equal? It would all would zero out, and there would be no controversy about neutrality.

The economic model of the internet has always been peering among the "big pipe" owners, or semi-peering with payments, and everyone else paying their local provider for access. The ISPs get paid for traffic both coming and going, to each subscriber, and the cost is the same regardless whether it is Google, or a household or some other party that the packets are going to or coming from.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:32:07 EDT

Z80A posted : It hasn't passed but there are legislators who bring it up all the time and it was all the rage 2004-2007 with CalTrans looking for big money lobbying hard for it.
»news.google.com/archivesearch?q=···av=hist7

It was brought up in Massachusetts too. Even Transportation Secretary LaHood endorsed the idea before Obama wisely nixed it.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:13:34 EDT

AlexNYC posted : WOW ... surely that can't be true .... you are joking right?

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:05:18 EDT

Z80A posted : In Sacramento, they are already peeved about everyone buying fuel efficient cars since it cuts into their massive gas tax revenues. They want to force everyone to have GPS in their cars and when you fill up, it reports to the pump how many miles you drove and adds the per mile tax.

Not even the smelly Prius driving hippies are safe from tax, borrow and waste government.

Re: Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:38:44 EDT

patcat88 posted : Prius drivers need to be put in prison for gas tax evasion :D

Ah, a free ISP

Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:50:24 EDT

Z80A posted : Wow, an ISP that doesn't charge subscribers for their connection. That must be the case since this ISP is claiming Google is getting a "free ride" to their subscribers. Certainly they couldn't make such and idiotic claim if subscribers actually paid for their internet service.

Notice to the leeching double dipping ISPs...without compelling content like that from google, you wouldn't have any HSI subscribers. Without the streaming video and such, everyone would be free to go back to dial-up for $8.

And to Ed Whitacre, I think Chevy and the rest of Government Motors is getting a free ride on the government's roads. Time to pay up for every mile GM owners drive (since he also loved the consumption based model). Using Ed logic it doesn't matter that Chevy's "subscribers" already pay road taxes (license fees, excise taxes etc); Chevy is getting a free ride.

Meanwhile Google should refuse to pay any bounty and BLOCK access from any ISP that actively traffic shapes their content. The ISP would crumble soon enough.