3 edits | [SOLVED] Bridging / Disabling routing on the CellPipe 7130 I just upgraded from Bell's Max 12 (with a 2Wire ADSL modem) to Fibre 25 (with a CellPipe VDSL modem). Both are connected to an Apple Extreme base station which feeds the rest of the LAN.
Having two NAT routers (double NAT) is a no-no, as my Extreme is quick to inform me. I solved this problem with the 2Wire by activating the DMZ+ mode, which shares the public IP with the Extreme. Note that this is different than the 2Wire's bridging mode, as bridging disables PPPOE and the firewall, and I could never get this operation to work.
My questions:
•has anyone found a similar function to DMZPlus on the CellPipe?
•has anyone got the CellPipe's bridging to work with an Apple Extreme (or any other router for that matter)?
My reference material:
(2Wire Bridging) »2 Wire »Bridging the 2wire and PPPoE (Disabling Router)
(2Wire DMZPlus) »support.2wire.com/?page=view&article=222
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| Re: Bridging / DMZPlus / Disabling routing on the CellPoint 7130 I am very anxious to see some sort of resolution to this. Unless Bell also offers a plain VDSL2 modem (i.e. no gateway functionality) or there is a way to use the CellPipe as a modem only, I am holding off ordering Fibe 25... I'll be watching this thread carefully. |
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it seems that bell bonded the modem's mac address to your bell user id. so even if there's a way to initiate pppoe session on your own router, you probably still cannot dial. |
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Well I talked with (what I would call) a diamond-level tech at Bell who was sympathetic to my plight of networking purity. We were able to initiate PPPOE through my Apple Extreme router, bypassing the routing on the Bell Modem.
It's not nearly as elegant as the 2Wire solution. But now I have a green "Normal" status light on the front of the Extreme.
I did take a hit in bandwidth speeds, presumably from the overhead of double PPP  I dropped from 25 Mb/s to 22 Mb/s down, and from ~ 6.4 Mb/s to 6.0 Mb/s up.
If you try this, don't forget to manually enter your DNS Server IP addresses into your router. |
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 Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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Are you authenticating with the Cellpoint as well as the Airport? I am wondering if you actually have to authenticate there...? |
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4 edits | Re: Bridging / DMZPlus / Disabling routing on the CellPipe 7130 said by Glen1:Are you authenticating with the Cellpoint as well as the Airport? I am wondering if you actually have to authenticate there...? I factory reset the CellPipe and verified that it has "unlearned" my B1 id. With it's PPPOE not started, I am still able to access the Internet AND my original bandwidth rates have returned.
Hat's off to you sir! This is exactly what I wanted. A dumb modem! :-D Let the photo uploads begin! |
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Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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Re: [SOLVED] Bridging / Disabling routing on the CellPipe 7130 That is the way most of the Bell modems have operated for the last few years...I had a hunch they kept them this way on purpose for just such a scenario. Thanks for giving it a try. I want to test out this modem myself and will do so as soon as I can. The typical Cisco device needs this kind of "freedom" to operate also...thanks again.
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Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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Here is another important point with respect to customers who have a "single static IP" service: they are only able to log on in one location...so that their IP is assigned where they are using a PPPoE connection. If they want to own that IP in their router (behind the Cellpipe) then it is absolutely vital to be able to bridge through that device. A double PPPoE login would disable their single static IP service.
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Cozmo
join:2007-12-18
Burlington, ON | reply to jhendriks
so how did you do it? what are the settings on the lucent modem, to pass through? |
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so what did you do it? i tried to initiate the pppoe session on lan port but got timeout. and double ppp? the modem is acting as a ppp server? wtf? |
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Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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The key statement is this: "I factory reset the CellPipe and verified that it has "unlearned" my B1 id. With it's PPPOE not started, I am still able to access the Internet AND my original bandwidth rates have returned." He reset the modem in factory default settings and made sure his "b1" information was absent from its GUI then just plugged into a port and authenticated with his own router. That is what I am hearing from his statement.
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nuno
join:2005-06-16
Markham, ON | I would be interested to know if you have tried any port forwarding/dmz settings on your airport extreme.
Briefly tested the cellpipe after a factory reset with my own router. Although I was able to auth the pppoe session, and speeds where fine, any port forwarding I set, or dmz mode did not work.
Could have been the few cocktails I was enjoying that made me error on the actual lan IPs I used.  |
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said by Glen1:Here is another important point with respect to customers who have a "single static IP" service: they are only able to log on in one location...so that their IP is assigned where they are using a PPPoE connection. If they want to own that IP in their router (behind the Cellpipe) then it is absolutely vital to be able to bridge through that device. A double PPPoE login would disable their single static IP service. Since when does Bell offer Static IP, at least on residential accounts?
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| AFAIK, static is only on business DSL. There are two formats my customers use... one where you have a sticky PPPoE provided IP and one in which you have a real static IP on the WAN interface. The latter is really overpriced, but so is the former. |
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Hi all,
I wonder if anybody using BES (Bell Entertainment Service) has managed to get this to work.
We have the same modem (Alcatel Lucent 7130) as used on Bell's Fibe service, but the modem is configured slightly differently.
Under WAN Setup there are three options :
DHCP
PPPoE
VLAN + 2 PPPoE
For me, the third option is used as two separate PPPoE sessions are used with BES - 1st for the Internet and the 2nd for IPTV.
I assume this is why I've been unsuccessful trying to get my router to negotiate its own PPPoE session, but I wondered if anybody here had more success than I...
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My old friend as soon as this is offered to the Business world it is going to "take off" like we have never seen before. I for one want to be ready for it and need to understand how this device, the Cellpipe operates. I am going to test it out myself soon...I just have to know more about it.
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| said by Glen1:My old friend as soon as this is offered to the Business world it is going to "take off" like we have never seen before. I for one want to be ready for it and need to understand how this device, the Cellpipe operates. I am going to test it out myself soon...I just have to know more about it. I hope it's offered to business soon. With that kind of upload, I would switch my work in a heartbeat. The only reason we stay with Rogers is 1mbps (true) upload.
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Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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| I am so glad you said it first...I have been hearing that statement for so long. The 7 Meg upload is the key element in this new service, not necessarily the download speed. If they offered a lower tier say 12 Meg down and 7 Meg up that too would be an instant hit. That would be my choice.
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| said by Glen1:I am so glad you said it first...I have been hearing that statement for so long. The 7 Meg upload is the key element in this new service, not necessarily the download speed. If they offered a lower tier say 12 Meg down and 7 Meg up that too would be an instant hit. That would be my choice. Indeed. I dont need the nutty download at work. Especially if the price is high. I'd even be satisfied with a 10/5 setup, provided a static IP would be affordable as well.
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Glen1These Are The Good Ol' Days.Premium,MVM
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| Now you are talking...a 12 Meg synch rate down and a 7 Meg synch rate up would almost be a perfect 10/5. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!
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