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nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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reply to FFH

Re: And how do you create that competition?

said by FFH:

And how exactly do you create competition? I'd be thrilled to hear how that is accomplished.

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line sharing would be a good start. the Harvard study that recently came out recommended that.

it'll never happen, though, since all govt agencies are currently in the thrall of big business. until that changes, nothing will change, including broadband.

i'm lucky - I have FIOS and make enough money to afford it. I guess my attitude should be "who cares, I got mine!", but that's no way to run a country.


FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
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said by nasadude:

said by FFH:

And how exactly do you create competition? I'd be thrilled to hear how that is accomplished.

....
line sharing would be a good start. the Harvard study that recently came out recommended that.
Line sharing was tried and it failed. It will always fail unless price controls by the government on the wholesale rates are part of the deal. And price controls have their own downside - investors will take their money out of price controlled companies and go elsewhere. So this becomes unworkable unless government controls are extended to the whole economy. And even then, because the economy is international the US couldn't make it work because the price controls won't extend overseas.

OwlSaver
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join:2005-01-30
Berwyn, PA
reply to nasadude

Competion will not work in this case. It will create islands of incompatability to ensure profit maximization. For example, Comcast would prefer to only allow its subscribers have access to NBC content. If Verizon bought CBS, then you would need Verizon and Comcast to get NBC and CBS. (I know they cannot do this but they would really like to and as it should be).

There should be a combined Wired/Wireless infrastructure that is run as a utility. It just provides the pipes and everyone has access. Then, competion can be at the content level. I think that in many ways, this would make more money for all the companies.



Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02
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reply to FFH

Line sharing wasn't "tried and failed" so much as it was implemented in a half-assed fashion, and then destroyed by a one-two punch of incompetent and corrupt regulators and incumbent ISP lobbyists.

Claiming line sharing was "tried and failed" in telecom historical context would be like telling a kid to go run a hundred yard dash, smashing his kneecaps, and then proclaiming that he tried and failed.



FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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said by Karl Bode:

Line sharing wasn't "tried and failed" so much as it was implemented in a half-assed fashion, and then destroyed by a one-two punch of incompetent and corrupt regulators and incumbent ISP lobbyists.

said by FFH:

I'm assuming, but correct me if I am putting words in your mouth, that if the gov't had set wholesale rates for line sharing, that you think line sharing would have worked.
But if the Gov't had set wholesale rates, other financial mechanisms,including the flight of investor money in the telcos, would have killed it.

Something similar has worked in the EU to some extent. But the socialist minded; gov't bureaucracy directed economies of the EU are different from the US system. And that is a whole other msg thread to discuss whether the US economy should be run like some EU economies.


Bill Neilson
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join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA
reply to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:

Claiming line sharing was "tried and failed" in telecom historical context would be like telling a kid to go run a hundred yard dash, smashing his kneecaps, and then proclaiming that he tried and failed.
I literally just smashed my knee last weekend

Thanks a lot

Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to FFH

said by FFH:

But if the Gov't had set wholesale rates, other financial mechanisms,including the flight of investor money in the telcos, would have killed it.

Most of the telcos are just milking the cash cow until it's dry and aren't investing in anything really new anyway so what difference is investor money in the telcos making now?

openbox9
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Germany
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Wireless?



John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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reply to Bill Neilson

said by Bill Neilson:

I literally just smashed my knee last weekend.
So, what was your time?
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Bill Dollar

join:2009-02-20
New York, NY
reply to FFH

But the government did set the wholesale rates under the linesharing regime and the general UNE-P regime. Rates were set by states, using the TELERIC cost model. And contrary to the historical revision, investment by both CLECs and ILECs increased dramatically in the post-1996 period.