1 edit | Real world speeds always so much less I always like how they advertise these theoretical "up to" speeds on cell networks when the real world actual speeds are usually only 10% to 20% of the rated speeds. The stds committees rate these based on 1 user 10 feet from an antenna in an RF shielded room. No where in real life are these speeds ever achieved. Buyer beware should be the key phrase for anyone listening to their ads. |
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AVonGaussPremium
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Boynton Beach, FL | Perhaps, but its still a bit faster than the 7.2 or 3.6 measured using the same tests. |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Personally, I'd expect the 'typical' range to be more like 25-50%, with 50% being a lightly loaded cell site, with good signal.
Take a look at what users in Canada on HSPA+ get. I've seen +10Mbps results with datacards. |
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kudos:16 | The iPhone 3GS is rated at 7.2 Mbps. I typically get real-world speeds when tethered at home of over 5 Mbps (usually ~5.3 Mbps). This is in downtown Montreal on Fido. |
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en102Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA | Typical US vs. typical Canada is a bit different.
T-Mobile has as many customers as there are people in Canada. Data is also 'unlimited' on devices in the US, and capped with overages in Canada. Usage should be lighter where its capped.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:I always like how they advertise these theoretical "up to" speeds on cell networks when the real world actual speeds are usually only 10% to 20% of the rated speeds. The stds committees rate these based on 1 user 10 feet from an antenna in an RF shielded room. No where in real life are these speeds ever achieved. Buyer beware should be the key phrase for anyone listening to their ads. I like how Karl makes that distinction in the Headline for T-Mobile, but not when reporting for Verizon or ATT... Verizon is going to be starting with an LTE (4g) network that goes from 5-12mbps. But apparently to him 10mbps of a 21mbps theoretical connection is something to scoff at, but 12mbps out of 100mbps theoretical is just fine.
production HSPA+ networks beat 12mbps today.
Just because early tests show 10mbps now doesn't mean that they won't go higher as backhaul is ramped up.
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| Yes, I secretly hide the real world speeds seen with AT&T and Verizon's network because they pay me under the table or I'm a fanboy or something.  |
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1 edit | there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
The fact is, LTE aint delivering on its promises just yet, and even Verizon acknowledges that by lowering expectations to 12mbps or less on an 80mbps rated connection. And the weird thing is - you've got no problem pointing this out for WiMax.
Well HSPA+ already is besting Verizon's expectations for LTE, as well as beating/matching real-world WiMax tests. And that's before upgrades to HSPA+ (28mbps, and 42mbps) which can lower the already sub100ms pings while doubling speeds even higher...
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there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
I see. So your theory is that I don't point out the difference between theoretical and real world speeds for say, Verizon LTE?
»So, How Fast Will LTE Be, Really?
Assuming that this is true (which it isn't, I've been pointing out AT&T and Verizon network limitations and ridiculous behavior for a decade) your theory on why I'd do this is why, exactly?
I'm secretly an AT&T and Verizon fanboy unfairly picking on T-Mobile? Do you realize this is silly given how much I criticize AT&T and Verizon? I understand you work for T-Mobile but give me a little credit... |
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there's a difference between outright hiding something (which you can't do - it's not for you to hide) and neglecting to point something out for certain carriers (att, vzw), while consistently pointing it out for other carriers (tmo). It's a matter of framing.
I see. So your theory is that I don't point out the difference between theoretical and real world speeds for say, Verizon LTE? » So, How Fast Will LTE Be, Really?Assuming that this is true (which it isn't, I've been pointing out AT&T and Verizon network limitations and ridiculous behavior for a decade) your theory on why I'd do this is why, exactly? I'm secretly an AT&T and Verizon fanboy unfairly picking on T-Mobile? Do you realize this is silly given how much I criticize AT&T and Verizon? I understand you work for T-Mobile but give me a little credit... lol good try. I don't work for t-mobile - I'm just tired of it getting crapped on by bloggers and news sites who are too lazy to do some research and prefer to regurgitate whatever press releases they get. It just so happens that ATT and VZW put out a TON of press releases.
I've never called you an ATT or VZW fanboi - just an Apple one. And my theory is simply that you're unhappy with your ATT service, love your iphone, would prefer it to be on VZW, but you're frustrated that the two big carriers aren't working as hard as Sprint and TMO do to improve their networks and pricing. Oh, and you're hoping that the sooner VZW gets LTE up and running, that maybe, just maybe, Apple will finally take the iphone to VZW because LTE will be the standard.
In news posts referring to TMO's HSPA+ deployment, they're almost always littered with references to ATT's awesome 7.2 deployment (at a fraction of the speed), or VZW's upcoming LTE seemingly in an effort to undercut the real news. But in the news post you pointed out on LTE, you didn't seem to feel the need to point out just how pathetic 12mbps is for LTE when HSPA+ in Canada is already doing better than that. Not a single reference to HSPA+. Not a single reference to WiMax. Hell, in one article you outright came to defend VZW's paltry "4g" speeds as being "more than enough speed for most people on the go, many of whom are more interested at this point in connection consistency (or the ability to actually make a phone call now and again)".
This is a broadband enthusiast site. Are you freaking kidding me? Since when have you stated an arbitrary speed as "more than enough"? And why would you point out "connection consistency" in a post about Verizon and LTE? Since when has VZW been known for such problems? The only people I EVER hear about who have connection consistency issues and are unable to make phone calls are *surprise surprise* iPhone users.
So as I said, you see VZW as the savior of your iphone, so you want them to finally shed those CDMA shackles and rush out an unimpressive LTE network in the hopes of finally seeing a VZW-capable iphone.
For a site that is dedicated to broadband results (see your remarks on clearwire), this site consistently relegates HSPA+ to the corner as some already defunct technology with no future, simply being "milked" of every last drop - even though real-world day-to-day results clearly indicate otherwise. Not to mention that the industry (even ATT) is going back to HSPA+ since they are mostly unimpressed with LTE's current state, and see that HSPA+ can deliver today.
Hence why I feel the incessant need to point out TMO's and HSPA+ advantages each time you make a post about LTE/TMO/HSPA+.
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