 Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP join:2001-04-19 1970 442 W30 kudos:18 | reply to goddess2010
Re: Why Did Alta Vista Search Engine Lose To Google? said by goddess2010:Harder to type than google. Sounds stupid, but entirely true. More difficult to remember, and less catchy. ..exactly! Everyone knows how hard it was and for google it has been easy enough. It became clear that AltaVista's portal strategy was unsuccessful.. False. www.av.com is not harder to type than www.google.com! Not even factual in this time/space continuum. AV was a Search engine First and only tried the Yahoo Portal Type thing for a very short time after Yahoo bought them. AV supplied Yahoo with it search results for a good while which a lot of people don't know. -- Whats the point of owning a supercar if you cant scare yourself stupid from time to time? |
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| reply to Doctor Olds said by Doctor Olds:That makes sense, why bother bookmarking sites that you use, just type them out every time? I never said anything about portals or general sites or home pages. For some places with short easy to remember domain names it is actually faster to type the domain name without any prefix or suffix and then hit Ctrl-Enter to get the www and .com parts added by the browser (works in IE, Firefox and Opera). For many sites like Google, Facebook, American Airlines and a local newspaper I do it that way. Typing "google" or "facebook" or "aa" or any other short domain name and then Ctrl-Enter beats the heck out of having to go to the favorites menu and then hunt for it. |
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 Doctor OldsI Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.Premium,VIP join:2001-04-19 1970 442 W30 kudos:18 | said by printscreen:said by Doctor Olds:That makes sense, why bother bookmarking sites that you use, just type them out every time? I never said anything about portals or general sites or home pages. For some places with short easy to remember domain names it is actually faster to type the domain name without any prefix or suffix and then hit Ctrl-Enter to get the www and .com parts added by the browser (works in IE, Firefox and Opera). For many sites like Google, Facebook, American Airlines and a local newspaper I do it that way. Typing "google" or "facebook" or "aa" or any other short domain name and then Ctrl-Enter beats the heck out of having to go to the favorites menu and then hunt for it. Type "av" press enter and tell me your results. now how many letters is that other search engine? 
And now really, search in your bookmarks/favorites? You put the search engine or engines as the first link[s] at the top or if you use Links in IE you place it as the first link. and in Firefox you choose View, the select show Personal Toolbar and then drag the link to it as the first one. -- Whats the point of owning a supercar if you cant scare yourself stupid from time to time? |
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 | reply to printscreen said by printscreen:At the beginning God said.. there let be Yahoo I thought God simply said, "Yahoooooooooo!" (and then, when Google appeared, Yoda said, "Begun the search wars have." [and then they were over])  |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | reply to printscreen said by printscreen:said by Doctor Olds:That makes sense, why bother bookmarking sites that you use, just type them out every time? I never said anything about portals or general sites or home pages. For some places with short easy to remember domain names it is actually faster to type the domain name without any prefix or suffix and then hit Ctrl-Enter to get the www and .com parts added by the browser (works in IE, Firefox and Opera). For many sites like Google, Facebook, American Airlines and a local newspaper I do it that way. Typing "google" or "facebook" or "aa" or any other short domain name and then Ctrl-Enter beats the heck out of having to go to the favorites menu and then hunt for it. Yes, that is what I have always done in XP Pro and in Win 7 RC but in Vista Ultimate that doesn't work usually. Sometimes it works but mostly I have to take the mouse and move backwards and erase a letter or two and maybe then I will be given "www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm" as the first choice in the dropdown menu. On XP and Win 7, I can type "s" in the address bar and I get "www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm" every time as the first choice. Sometimes, I can't get it in the dropdown at all on Vista no matter what browser I use. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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 | reply to Doctor Olds said by Doctor Olds:said by yengec:I used Yahoo for a few months in late 90s, hated the interface & the results... Hated the interface + lacking results is the entire issue many had with it, it was just too much and/or too busy. It looked like someone threw up on the screen. Here is a Image Time-Line that may bring back memories or horrors.  Images: Yahoo's steady home page transformation » news.cnet.com/2300-1032_3-607280···ubj=news Yeah, that's memories alright. Especially that horrific logo they had once upon a time. That was another reason I avoided them - that and the fact that they never sought to streamline the front page at all. |
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 PyrionLiquid Metal Nanomorph join:2001-12-01 Poway, CA kudos:1 | reply to Xstar_Lumini said by Xstar_Lumini:Can somebody answer this enigma for me? It's the difference between being a search engine and a content portal. Most of these places started out as content portals with search engine functionality, whereas google started out as nothing but a search engine. When all one wants to do is search, the rest of the page is effectively cruft. -- "There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell |
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| reply to CylonRed said by CylonRed:Easy to see at the top of the page - right in front of the eyes with words in yeillow - now it is just nothing more than you ignoring the obvious just to make an argument... I focus on what I want - not what the rest of the page has - not difficult to do but apparently becoming a lost art - probably the same rteason marketing doe snot work on me as well. No it's pointing out the obvious issue with page and content design. See Yahoo/lycos/excite/et al. are all portal pages now not search engines. They want to serve their own brand of content unto the world, not serve you with search results.
What you want is to search, the search is not conveniently located at the 'general' eye level of the user going to the page. Rather it's located at the top. Out of eye-level drawing the eyes towards other content in order to draw you away from what your original intent was. That of course moves into marketing. Less clutter is good, if you don't understand the KISS principle you're clearly missing out.  |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | reply to Xstar_Lumini So all I need for the AVD706 search engine to succeed is to place the search box in the middle of the page and not otherwise clutter the screen? -- standard disclaimers apply. |
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 atuarreHere come the drumsPremium join:2004-02-14 College Station, TX | reply to ReVeLaTeD said by ReVeLaTeD:{Old man diatribe} Back in my day, there was: Webcrawler, AOL's bread and butter Alta Vista Lycos Infoseek Excite Yahoo Hotbot (Now THIS was a search engine) Metacrawler MSN Search Of them all, I found Yahoo to be the worst of the bunch. Hotbot was awesome, because it gave you search results from all of the search engines in one interface. Metacrawler was useless, WebCrawler was useless. Lycos didn't return enough, Excite was cluttered, and Infoseek...well, no comment. AltaVista was the top to me. It just felt like the king of the mountain. I used AltaVista's Babelfish all the time in particular. Really sorry to see them go. What drew me to Google wasn't the accuracy of the results even though that was a big point. It was the simplicity of the interface. At first I never felt like they were trying to sell me anything, and at the time banner ads and popups/popunders/popovers/flashing strobes were the big thing going, and the search engines had tons of banners. Google had nothing but text ads, which never bothered me. In fact I was more inclined to click a text ad about a product than a banner ad. Then the mail came out, offering 1GB of memory which at the time was unheard of - compared to Yahoo and Hotmail's piddly 10MB - and I've been a fan of Google ever since. I do think they're biting off more than they can chew, but I refuse to search with anything but Google. You forgot Magellan. It was a back in the day one also. |
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 | said by atuarre:said by ReVeLaTeD:{Old man diatribe} Back in my day, there was: Webcrawler, AOL's bread and butter Alta Vista Lycos Infoseek Excite Yahoo Hotbot (Now THIS was a search engine) Metacrawler MSN Search Of them all, I found Yahoo to be the worst of the bunch. Hotbot was awesome, because it gave you search results from all of the search engines in one interface. Metacrawler was useless, WebCrawler was useless. Lycos didn't return enough, Excite was cluttered, and Infoseek...well, no comment. AltaVista was the top to me. It just felt like the king of the mountain. I used AltaVista's Babelfish all the time in particular. Really sorry to see them go. What drew me to Google wasn't the accuracy of the results even though that was a big point. It was the simplicity of the interface. At first I never felt like they were trying to sell me anything, and at the time banner ads and popups/popunders/popovers/flashing strobes were the big thing going, and the search engines had tons of banners. Google had nothing but text ads, which never bothered me. In fact I was more inclined to click a text ad about a product than a banner ad. Then the mail came out, offering 1GB of memory which at the time was unheard of - compared to Yahoo and Hotmail's piddly 10MB - and I've been a fan of Google ever since. I do think they're biting off more than they can chew, but I refuse to search with anything but Google. You forgot Magellan. It was a back in the day one also. So I did. I hardly used that one, but I remember it. Ask Jeeves as well. DogPile I vaguely remember...but definitely never used it. |
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