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Re: Consider the Converse What data are you using to prove that? |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by MightyPez:What data are you using to prove that? I present the admittedly anecdotal evidence in my original post.
There are clearly more people who have broadband today than there were in the late 1990s. Since the late 1990s, we've had 2 recessions which have resulted in major job losses. But during both of these recessions, broadband deployments have continued. The jobs did not come back until the economy made a full recovery, which had little if anything to do with broadband deployment.
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| Again, I ask, why is broadband deployment, in your opinion, suppose to prop up other industries losing jobs? Perhaps more jobs *were* created in the broadband industry. That would stand to reason, anyway. More central offices, nodes, help desk personnel, etc.
Are people claiming greater broadband deployment is suppose to raise job levels as a whole? |
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Ouch pnh. Looks like mightypez just burned you. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to MightyPez
said by MightyPez:Again, I ask, why is broadband deployment, in your opinion, suppose to prop up other industries losing jobs? I did not claim this. I claimed that the notion that broadband deployment leads to more jobs is false.
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| But you're not saying how. You are saying overall jobs are being lost, but that doesn't mean jobs weren't created. |
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I'm not trying to cause a problem. I'm not an industry insider and have about as much economics training as it takes to invest in a company fund, but saying jobs were lost in the recession so we shouldn't deploy broadband is making my head spin. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to MightyPez
said by MightyPez:You are saying overall jobs are being lost, but that doesn't mean jobs weren't created. I am?
All I am claiming is that there is no relationship between the two items.
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| said by pnh102:If this is true, then there should have never been any job losses during the 2001-02 and current recessions, as broadband deployments have indeed been expanding since the late 1990s into today. This is what you said. Reading it just says "Jobs were lost in the recession, so deploying broadband doesn't create jobs. You qualified it in no way. I have no idea what you are trying to say because it's a broad and non-descript thing to say. Especially when looking at Funchords data saying jobs were indeed created. |
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Gaithersburg, MD | reply to MightyPez
What I get from pnh's statement is that he's using the statement as an example of the difference between corellation and causation, something many folks confuse. |
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Again, you know, if people want to make points one way or the other they can introduce actual science....
This country allows the guy who yells louder to dictate what the reality is for some reason. The data is the data. I imagine in some instances there are deployment projects that result in job creation. I imagine in other instances there are deployment projects that wind up being money black holes... |
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