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DCELL

join:2010-06-17
Ocoee, FL

reply to mijagourlay

Re: [Internet] Bright House Orlando problems.

How did you come up with that log? I'd love to be able to do that and have something to show to a tech. THey've been out here 5 times, including a supervisor, in the last 2 months because of the intermintent outages. Swapped otu the modem once. THere's never been a problem when they're here. They have yet to climb the pole. Jim
Ocoee/34761


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said by DCELL:

How did you come up with that log? I'd love to be able to do that and have something to show to a tech. THey've been out here 5 times, including a supervisor, in the last 2 months because of the intermintent outages. Swapped otu the modem once. THere's never been a problem when they're here. They have yet to climb the pole. Jim
Ocoee/34761
Please define intermittent outages. Duration, time of day, weather, length, what type of service you have and what was affected. Thank you.

mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

reply to DCELL
DCELL, check a few posts earlier, from yesterday, from me. I posted scripts and a program that I used to obtain the logs.

The plot you see is just from Microsoft Excel, scatter-plotting columns 1 and 10 (time versus bit rate) for the "abbreviated" signal log.


mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

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Oh, I also should have mentioned that the last tech who came out here said that he would tell his supervisor to schedule a "maintenance" visit -- apparently another kind of worker -- during the outage that happens at night time.

He also gave me his cell number and told me to call him at night when the outage occurs. So I called him and left voicemail.

So far, no response or indication that anybody else (maintenance or otherwise) came out or performed additional diagnostics.

So I called BH several times (kept getting disconnected due to outages) and explained that techs had been out, that the outages occur only at night, etc.. In the end they offered to send out another tech.

I explained that I couldn't keep taking time off work for them to show up but that didn't alter their suggestion.

Sadness ensues.

Also, wonder how I manage to post these messages? Persistence. Each of these posts takes me several tries -- to catch a glimpse of what it's like to have service.



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said by mijagourlay:

Oh, I also should have mentioned that the last tech who came out here said that he would tell his supervisor to schedule a "maintenance" visit -- apparently another kind of worker -- during the outage that happens at night time.

He also gave me his cell number and told me to call him at night when the outage occurs. So I called him and left voicemail.

So far, no response or indication that anybody else (maintenance or otherwise) came out or performed additional diagnostics.

So I called BH several times (kept getting disconnected due to outages) and explained that techs had been out, that the outages occur only at night, etc.. In the end they offered to send out another tech.

I explained that I couldn't keep taking time off work for them to show up but that didn't alter their suggestion.

Sadness ensues.

Also, wonder how I manage to post these messages? Persistence. Each of these posts takes me several tries -- to catch a glimpse of what it's like to have service.
I have sent you a private message. Please check your IM box here at DSLR.

branthua

join:2010-06-26

I also should have mentioned that the last tech no response or indication that anybody else


mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

reply to BHNtechXpert
Update:

Last night, third tech arrived. (He came out around 6pm so I didn't have to leave work early, but Brighthouse only offers that 6-8 timeslot once per week.)

(Aside: Tech 3 reported that starting around 4 weeks ago, repair orders have suddenly more than doubled and he speculated that it's due to the DOCSIS 3 upgrade -- as we also have suspected. Tech 3 reported that his house also has outages. He said BH was having trouble keeping up with all the additional service calls and techs were working arduous hours -- I'm paraphrasing.)

Checked the lines, found the signal was fine.

Swapped out my modem (admitting that it was unlikely to repair the problem).

First replacement modem could not provision the telephone line. After spending around 15 minutes on the phone with other BHN people he swapped out the modem AGAIN. More phone calls. Got second one (my third) working.

So now I have an SA DPC2203 (whereas old one was a WebSTAR DPX2203).

Download speeds are the same but upload speeds are aroudn half what they were before. I used to get around 960k up, now get around 560k up. I pointed that out and Tech shrugged it off.

Problem, as usual, began happening later that night. Over 2 dozen outages from 9:06pm through 6:23 am.

Called customer care yet again to report the problem so that there is a paper trail.

Looked into CenturyLink. Pricing and service seem comparable -- 10 Meg down plus phone (which is what I have now) is about the same. They don't advertise their upload speed but I doubt their upload speed could be worse than 560k which is what I get now with BHN.



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said by mijagourlay:

Update:

Last night, third tech arrived. (He came out around 6pm so I didn't have to leave work early, but Brighthouse only offers that 6-8 timeslot once per week.)

(Aside: Tech 3 reported that starting around 4 weeks ago, repair orders have suddenly more than doubled and he speculated that it's due to the DOCSIS 3 upgrade -- as we also have suspected. Tech 3 reported that his house also has outages. He said BH was having trouble keeping up with all the additional service calls and techs were working arduous hours -- I'm paraphrasing.)

Checked the lines, found the signal was fine.

Swapped out my modem (admitting that it was unlikely to repair the problem).

First replacement modem could not provision the telephone line. After spending around 15 minutes on the phone with other BHN people he swapped out the modem AGAIN. More phone calls. Got second one (my third) working.

So now I have an SA DPC2203 (whereas old one was a WebSTAR DPX2203).

Download speeds are the same but upload speeds are aroudn half what they were before. I used to get around 960k up, now get around 560k up. I pointed that out and Tech shrugged it off.

Problem, as usual, began happening later that night. Over 2 dozen outages from 9:06pm through 6:23 am.

Called customer care yet again to report the problem so that there is a paper trail.

Looked into CenturyLink. Pricing and service seem comparable -- 10 Meg down plus phone (which is what I have now) is about the same. They don't advertise their upload speed but I doubt their upload speed could be worse than 560k which is what I get now with BHN.
Seveal things have me toubled about this but lets start with a couple of things first.

I want you to run a couple of speed tests for me. I'm only interested in these two tests..

»speedtest.tampabay.rr.com

please capture a screen test of the results and post them here. (Run this test 3 times)

»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.ph···pipSpeed

The test above will ask you for a SID ...you can make this anything you want but post back the results here and also include your SID please (run this test 3 times).

We'll take it from there...


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reply to branthua

said by branthua:

I also should have mentioned that the last tech no response or indication that anybody else
Your post makes no sense...please explain.

mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

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Speedtest 1: 9726/535 kbps
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Speedtest 2: 9707/619 kbps
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Speedtest 3: 9670/552 kbps
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Speedtest 4: 9768/287 kbps
Attached 4 screenshots of SpeedTest runs. As you can see, the first 3 get roughly the same results: around 9700k down, around 567k up. The third test shows 287k up, but during the test, the speed was initially higher, then dropped dramatically and the test took a while to finish. I had a mini outage during that 3rd test, so it was interrupted and resumed.

SID's are mijagourlayTest01, mijagourlayTest02, mijagourlayTest03 and mijagourlayTest04.

FYI, started getting outages again tonight at 8:45pm and had another at 9:04pm. This is unusually stable (though I vaguely recall last Saturday night also had fewer outages than what I observed throughout the rest of the week).

Edit: Here is some data for the past hour or so, from the "signal" page of the MTA:

Sat Jun 26 20:45:09 EDT 2010 Operational 122 615000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.3 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.9 dBmV Operational 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 20:45:16 EDT 2010 Locked 122 615000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.3 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.6 dBmV Ranging 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 20:45:23 EDT 2010 Locked 122 615000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.3 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 37.5 dBmV Not Ready 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 20:45:52 EDT 2010 Operational 122 615000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.3 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.2 dBmV Operational 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 21:04:45 EDT 2010 Operational 122 615000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.4 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.3 dBmV Operational 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 21:04:54 EDT 2010 Not Ready 0 621000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 21.9 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 34.2 dBmV Not Ready 0 0 Hz QPSK 0 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 21:05:01 EDT 2010 Locked 121 609000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.5 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 39.2 dBmV Ranging 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 29.5 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 21:05:14 EDT 2010 Operational 121 609000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.4 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.9 dBmV Operational 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV
Sat Jun 26 22:05:57 EDT 2010 Operational 121 609000000 Hz 256QAM 42884296 bits/sec 4.5 dBmV Signal to Noise Ratio 38.0 dBmV Operational 1 20600000 Hz 16QAM 2560 Ksym/sec 34.0 dBmV


BHNtechXpert
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reply to Cralb
Thank you! One moement while I digest this...



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reply to Cralb
Okay...

I did some checking. On the ispgeeks test you only completed one full test. All the others were either cancelled before finishing or errored out in some way.

»174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=141582

Here are the results of the one test. It shows a 10/1 connection that is healthy. BUT it's only one test and it really doesn't matter because your ON-NET tests with BHN
indicate a problem between your home and the on-net server. I would still like to know why the other tests didn't complete. Do you have a firewall running? If so you do need to have it off during the tests. This also goes for any anti-virus products because they do can and will interfere with the tests especially tests like the Ookla http based test that BHN uses.

Ok next step. I don't know if I asked this but are you testing on a wired or wireless connection. If wireless...stop. I only want results on a wired connection. Also would you be willing to remove the router for 24 hours and see if the problems go away? Just connect one PC to the modem.

Also. Was this an actual BHN tech or a contractor? Did he actually throw a meter on the line in front of you?


mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

I completed 4 tests from the link you gave me -- "TcpipSpeed". The one test you refer to here (Test05) was a "CapacityTest" that I did out of curiosity. I went ahead and ran more of those. Test06 shows 9650 down, 666 up. Test07 shows 9630 down, 181 up.

The Ookla test is what I ran both before and after the replacement modems -- that is, both before and after I observed reduction in upload speed. Nothing else changed, and I ran those tests literally within minutes of each other yesterday, just before and just after Tech 3 replaced the modem. The reduction in upload speed came immediately upon getting the new modems. In fact, the Ookla test is what I ran to test whether the modem was working. So the problem is correlated either to the new hardware or to the new provisioning that accompanied it.

I write "modems" there because, as I mentioned earlier, I actually went through 2 SA DPC2203's while Tech 3 was here. Both yielded the same results for internet access. (The first replacement modem had telephone line issues, but was fine for internet.)

I'm not measuring anything involving wireless -- only measuring wired speed.

All three were BHN techs -- they arrived in BHN vans and wore BHN uniforms. All 3 techs metered the line at various points within the house and also outside. Tech 1 also showed me a graph with a spike in it, which I assume indicated a signal reflection, and which is what prompted him to replace the splitters inside the house.

Tech 3 never showed me that same kind of line graph; he only showed me summary info, such as what I have posted and could obtain from asking my modem about signal strengths. As you can see, they're typically within acceptable ranges. Only when the outages occur do the signal strengths leave normal ranges -- at which point they're sometimes way out of whack.

Just in case it helps establish some context here, you might want to glance at this:

»www.freepatentsonline.com/7680038.html



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said by mijagourlay:

I completed 4 tests from the link you gave me -- "TcpipSpeed". The one test you refer to here (Test05) was a "CapacityTest" that I did out of curiosity. I went ahead and ran more of those. Test06 shows 9650 down, 666 up. Test07 shows 9630 down, 181 up.

The Ookla test is what I ran both before and after the replacement modems -- that is, both before and after I observed reduction in upload speed. Nothing else changed, and I ran those tests literally within minutes of each other yesterday, just before and just after Tech 3 replaced the modem. The reduction in upload speed came immediately upon getting the new modems. In fact, the Ookla test is what I ran to test whether the modem was working. So the problem is correlated either to the new hardware or to the new provisioning that accompanied it.

I write "modems" there because, as I mentioned earlier, I actually went through 2 SA DPC2203's while Tech 3 was here. Both yielded the same results for internet access. (The first replacement modem had telephone line issues, but was fine for internet.)

I'm not measuring anything involving wireless -- only measuring wired speed.

All three were BHN techs -- they arrived in BHN vans and wore BHN uniforms. All 3 techs metered the line at various points within the house and also outside. Tech 1 also showed me a graph with a spike in it, which I assume indicated a signal reflection, and which is what prompted him to replace the splitters inside the house.

Tech 3 never showed me that same kind of line graph; he only showed me summary info, such as what I have posted and could obtain from asking my modem about signal strengths. As you can see, they're typically within acceptable ranges. Only when the outages occur do the signal strengths leave normal ranges -- at which point they're sometimes way out of whack.

Just in case it helps establish some context here, you might want to glance at this:

»www.freepatentsonline.com/7680038.html
I'll be sending you an IM in a minute...

mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

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Brighthouse Outages 2010 June 25-27
 
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Brighthouse Outages 2010 June 18-23
More outage data for the last 2 nights, and a comparison with outages from last week.

Spikes show outages that last from 30 seconds to 3 minutes.

Note that both show a reduction in outages on Saturday nights / early Sunday mornings (June 19 and 26 were Saturdays).

Also notice that the graph units and details have changed; different modems, different data. But in both cases spikes indicate outages.

laz45

join:2002-08-01
Orlando, FL

reply to Cralb
Well I've had this problem since like 4 months ago. Goes out every 30 minutes or so I can actually see the cable light on the modem going off and on. Very Irritating when playing games.... Haven't called BH yet I guess I'm just a patient man :P



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said by laz45:

Well I've had this problem since like 4 months ago. Goes out every 30 minutes or so I can actually see the cable light on the modem going off and on. Very Irritating when playing games.... Haven't called BH yet I guess I'm just a patient man :P
Why would you allow something like this go on for 4 months and not report it to BHN but take the time out to post here about it? Doesn't that seem kind of odd to you? (it does me) You pay for a service to work, if it doesn't get the repair person out to fix it.

laz45

join:2002-08-01
Orlando, FL

reply to Cralb
My modem finally died yesterday! Got it replaced by a terayon and no disconnects yet.



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said by laz45:

My modem finally died yesterday! Got it replaced by a terayon and no disconnects yet.
You might have saved yourself 4 months of frustration with a simple phone call. If you have problems in the future take a few minutes out and let BHN know you are having problems.

mijagourlay

join:2010-06-21
Orlando, FL

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Brighthouse Outages, June 25-30
Update:

Still having nightly outages. Attached most recent data.

Waiting to hear from escalation department.

Still no sign that maintenance has been out. I was told they were supposed to come out within 72 hours and it's been over a week since Tech 2 supposedly called them out, and 3 business days since Tech 3 supposedly called them out.

Edit: Upload speed is still around half of what I pay for and half of what it was before Tech 3 replaced my modem (twice). Last measurements were 553, 556, 553 kbps up, consistent with what I've seen since June 26 around 6pm, when my modem was swapped.

And, again, while the upload test progresses, I get in the 900 kbps upload speed through about 80% of the test, then the speed sharply drops to around half that for the last 20% -- seemingly shaped. It has an extremely predictable and coherent pattern.
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