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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to Bobcat79

Re: Solution in search of a problem

it's not about replacing the phone. You didn't read what Karl had to say. The phone would work on the WiFi ONLY when near the access point. When it would lose its signal the phone would change back to the cellular network. This would allow CV to offer unlimited voice over their network to THEIR customers.
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Bobcat79
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But WHY? If my cell phone works just about everywhere in the US and Canada without roaming, why would I even want to use WiFi hotspots that are so few and far between?

I made a 45 minute call on the way home today, and I guarantee not a single CV WiFi hotspot was on my route.



FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to hottboiinnc

said by hottboiinnc:

it's not about replacing the phone. You didn't read what Karl had to say. The phone would work on the WiFi ONLY when near the access point. When it would lose its signal the phone would change back to the cellular network. This would allow CV to offer unlimited voice over their network to THEIR customers.
My Palm Pre already does this. Switching automatically to a WiFi connection when within range of one. So if I was a Cablevision user, I should be able to do this without any special phone to do switching.

Of course, I am talking DATA ONLY switching. The news item doesn't make it clear if they are also talking about a continuous voice call switching back and forth between WiFi and Cell.

hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to Bobcat79

WHY? Because most likely CV has a plan for this. Maybe their own cell phone company? or plans? While near an Access Point you can get free unlimited calls on the network. You're not going to get that from TM, ATT, or Sprint. This would also not be roaming. It would just switch between networks.

And as the other person said. MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR YOU!
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to FFH

yes but probably using "their" phone or what ever they have in place. They're most likely not going to do it for everyone.

They'll more than likely do data, but from the way the story is worded maybe voice as well.
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Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04

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reply to hottboiinnc

said by hottboiinnc:

WHY? Because most likely CV has a plan for this. Maybe their own cell phone company?
I wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that?

said by hottboiinnc:

While near an Access Point you can get free unlimited calls on the network.
They don't even have any access points in my entire town. But Verizon Wireless' Network Operations Center is across the street. I'm in range of 3 cell sites.

hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

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that NOC is only prolly for your area. Most of their operations is based in Ohio. Especially Customer Service, Billing and Tech Support, for both Wireless and Wireline (which shall be interesting to see VZ move their support center from Ohio to another state- if they do).
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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

But WHY? If my cell phone works just about everywhere in the US and Canada without roaming, why would I even want to use WiFi hotspots that are so few and far between?

I made a 45 minute call on the way home today, and I guarantee not a single CV WiFi hotspot was on my route.
Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area. There are areas on long island where you get no verizon signal at all. So it would be good for those areas. OR places like basements wher ei get an optimum wifi signal but not a carriers cell signal.

Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04
reply to hottboiinnc

said by hottboiinnc:

that NOC is only prolly for your area.
No, it's their primary NOC for their entire network. It's on Washington Valley Road in Bedminster, NJ. The backup site is in Texas. Their corporate headquarters used to be in the same building, but they moved a few miles up the road.

»aboutus.vzw.com/bestnetwork/netw···cts.html

Bobcat79
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reply to majortom1029

said by majortom1029:

Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area.
I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal.

VZW has as close to 100% coverage as you can get. I think there are a few square feet in Stokes State Forest and in the Pine Barrens that don't have coverage. But CV doesn't go anywhere near those areas.

Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all.

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.

hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

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reply to Bobcat79

And their main customer support centers (VZ and VZW) are based in Ohio. The page says only where they monitor the cell sites at. Their massive Centers could be located else where and they would. Any company that size will NEVER tell you where they're NOCs are at. And only having 2 of them? I don't think so. Esepcially for a network of that size.
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patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.
Rather than voice, which is relatively cheap nowadays with $99 unlimited from the nationals, and $40 from the regional unlimited (MetroPCS, Cricket, Pocket), unlimited data would be the real lure. Same as ATT Hotspot network and the iPhone.

Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04

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reply to hottboiinnc

Their NOC is in Bedminster. They've never hid that, and they've published photos on their web site. I know people who work there.

And you want to know where AT&T's NOC is? It's also in Bedminster (on the other side of 287). That's no secret. They've shown it in TV commercials. You've probably even seen it, with the 30 or so flatscreen TVs on the wall. My mother got a tour of the place when she was an AT&T employee.



Maccawolf
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join:2001-02-20
Hillsdale, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

said by majortom1029:

Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area.
I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal.

I have wifi and have NEVER seen a verizon wifi network. I've seen Comcast, and several other little ones, but never Verizon. (I have cv/ool)

And yes, I know exactly where the CO for Verizon is because I do communications for the MS 100 in Sept, and it always starts and ends there....
(also have a friend who works for ATT across town from them.)
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Bobcat79
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I'm comparing CV's WiFi service (or lack thereof) with Verizon Wireless' cellular service (which saturates the entire state).



SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that?
Bobcat you continue to be uninformed. CV's investors (and many customers) continue to be negative about new deployments of tech that are to their benefit in the long term. The people on CV complain all the time about compression and artifacts on HD. CV's satellite was for ALL HD transmission but the cost and the noise and perhaps lacking a partnership with someone else cause them to sell it off. The CV satellite and the tech that it deployed made it possible for DISH to be alive today and offering all the HD channels they do in better quality and with less compression. It was too advanced at the time, but no one could afford to deploy one now.

I wish you would stop trolling the CV forums. We all know you don't like them and I'm not even sure you have service from them anymore. Do you complain about all the fees and extra charges on your dsl account?
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Bobcat79
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There are ZERO extra fees and charges with my Verizon DSL service. None. No taxes. No fees. Just the regular monthly rate (which is 29% cheaper than Cablevision).

I'd still be a Cablevision customer if they hadn't raised the price by 50%!



SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
Premium
join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all.

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.
CV doesn't service the entire state of New Jersey, NY or Connecticut. They can only deploy WIFI where they have existing cable. YOU live on the edge of their coverage. I live in a area where I can get WIFI from my house, all the way into NYC. I can also get 1.5mb service tethered on my cell phone from ATT. So what. Both Verizon and ATT have caps. WIFI that I don't have to pay extra for is pretty nice in my book.

Stop trolling Cablevison forums.
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

Yeah that's accurate. Let's talk about Verizon's false promise to bring FIOS to everyone in NJ if the state would change the rules so they didn't have to negotiate with each town and that they weren't cherry picking..... I am surrounded by FIOS, but it will never come to me..... and Verizon's cellular is only 2.5G even on my non-smartphone, I can surf and talk at the same time and have done so.
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Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04

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reply to SSidlov

said by SSidlov:

They can only deploy WIFI where they have existing cable.
They haven't done that, and they never will. But my Verizon cell phone works everywhere.


SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
Premium
join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

talk apples to apples.

CV has not raised their OOL rates at all in 6 years.

Verizon has constantly changed pricing, and never lowered prices when they offered a better deal to any grandfathered customer without them asking for it.

Verizon as a telco is subject to additional fees and taxes that cable companies are not subject to. This may change in the future, but it's not now.

SO WHAT F*ing internet cost went up 50%? OH, you're not talking about that, you're talking about your TELEVISION. PUT UP A 100" ANTENNAE and get it for FREE FOREVER -- it's no one's fault that you live in the woods. A very nice section of woods, but far far away from major television transmitters. They just don't want to give it to you for free and they legally made everyone in the Bronx get a box, so why not you?
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Bobcat79
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Wow, look at this coverage map. Verizon Wireless' map is SOLID RED.


SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

THEY DO.

THEY HAVE.

THEY DON"T PUT IT IN THE WOODS.

THEY PUT IT AT BUS STOPS, and TRAIN STATIONS.
THEY PUT IT ON 'MAIN STREET" and ALONG MAJOR BUS ROUTES
THEY PUT IT IN PARKS WITH VIEWING STANDS

BUT they only put it where they have existing SILVER boxes where they meet the above criteria. They are not deploying extra silver boxes without good reason or just for WiFi.

Morristown has pretty good coverage. Somerset has coverage.
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Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04

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And only where there are above ground utilities. Buried utilities means no CV WiFi.

We have 10 units per acre, shopping centers, a recreation center, pools, tennis courts, and a park, but no CV WiFi.

Now if I lived in a train station, I guess CV's WiFi would be available.



SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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join:2000-03-03
Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

said by Bobcat79:

Wow, look at this coverage map. Verizon Wireless' map is SOLID RED.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IT"S NOT THE EQUIVALENT SERVICE AND IT COSTS NOTHING EXTRA TO COMCAST AND OOL CUSTOMERS.
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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Pompton Lakes, NJ

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reply to Bobcat79

Yeah, you're right also not where they have BURIED cable. Too bad., but everyone there has NIMBY about antennas anyway.

They are not replacing your WIRED services from them. They are not putting wifi in residential neighborhoods so you can get your neighbor to give you a ool email address to log in with and not pay. Most residential service is accidental to what they intend to deploy.

GO OUT and take a look for the silver boxes. ARE they at the shopping center you mention? Are there any at or near the pool? I bet not. That's why.

BUT MAYBE it's all a conspiracy against you and your ranting all the time, so they decided to NOT put ANY where you live - though I doubt that this is true.

In my town they put it all along main street, the HS and Middle school. The bus route in town is covered and the HS Football field (not at the HS) is also partially covered since the field/stands are at the FAR end of the park. We have 7K houses in a couple sq miles.
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SSidlov
Other Things On My Mind
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Pompton Lakes, NJ
reply to Bobcat79

Not in Montague NJ near High Point. Thank god you don't live there....
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Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04
reply to SSidlov

I'm just saying I don't see the point of a CV WiFi TELEPHONE since cell phones can get coverage everywhere in CV's territory. CV's WiFi TELEPHONE is pointless.



Maccawolf
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join:2001-02-20
Hillsdale, NJ

Yeah, well SOME of us don't feel like paying for the rape that is AT&T data, so if OOL is giving me wi-fi access for free. (included in my monthly service), I'm all for it.

PERSONALLY, I only use it rarely, so I really don't care, but I think it's nice that they are doing it. I know there are MANY who use it on a regular basis. Just that I'm not one of them.
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Bobcat79
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join:2001-02-04

No one is currently using CV's WiFi for telephone service, which is the topic of this discussion.