Topic 'Re: Solution in search of a problem' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882481 en Mon, 20 May 2013 03:55:21 EDT Mon, 20 May 2013 03:55:21 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23902290 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23902290 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:42:40 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23901796
PERSONALLY, I only use it rarely, so I really don't care, but I think it's nice that they are doing it. I know there are MANY who use it on a regular basis. Just that I'm not one of them.
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What I'm saying is that I see no reason for a WiFi phone, as the cellular service already saturates the entire state and can be used almost anywhere in the US and Canada.

And when you consider that CV's WiFi coverage is very spotty and will only ever cover a tiny fraction of the state, its pointlessness becomes even more evident.
It covers the DENSEST part of the state and not the rolling hills and woods of Bedminster.
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They are not replacing your WIRED services from them. They are not putting wifi in residential neighborhoods so you can get your neighbor to give you a ool email address to log in with and not pay. Most residential service is accidental to what they intend to deploy.

GO OUT and take a look for the silver boxes. ARE they at the shopping center you mention? Are there any at or near the pool? I bet not. That's why.

BUT MAYBE it's all a conspiracy against you and your ranting all the time, so they decided to NOT put ANY where you live - though I doubt that this is true.

In my town they put it all along main street, the HS and Middle school. The bus route in town is covered and the HS Football field (not at the HS) is also partially covered since the field/stands are at the FAR end of the park. We have 7K houses in a couple sq miles.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23899735 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:25:26 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23899689 said by Bobcat79:

Wow, look at this coverage map. Verizon Wireless' map is SOLID RED.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IT"S NOT THE EQUIVALENT SERVICE AND IT COSTS NOTHING EXTRA TO COMCAST AND OOL CUSTOMERS.
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We have 10 units per acre, shopping centers, a recreation center, pools, tennis courts, and a park, but no CV WiFi.

Now if I lived in a train station, I guess CV's WiFi would be available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23899461 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:45:10 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23898392
THEY HAVE.

THEY DON"T PUT IT IN THE WOODS.

THEY PUT IT AT BUS STOPS, and TRAIN STATIONS.
THEY PUT IT ON 'MAIN STREET" and ALONG MAJOR BUS ROUTES
THEY PUT IT IN PARKS WITH VIEWING STANDS

BUT they only put it where they have existing SILVER boxes where they meet the above criteria. They are not deploying extra silver boxes without good reason or just for WiFi.

Morristown has pretty good coverage. Somerset has coverage.
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CV has not raised their OOL rates at all in 6 years.

Verizon has constantly changed pricing, and never lowered prices when they offered a better deal to any grandfathered customer without them asking for it.

Verizon as a telco is subject to additional fees and taxes that cable companies are not subject to. This may change in the future, but it's not now.

SO WHAT F*ing internet cost went up 50%? OH, you're not talking about that, you're talking about your TELEVISION. PUT UP A 100" ANTENNAE and get it for FREE FOREVER -- it's no one's fault that you live in the woods. A very nice section of woods, but far far away from major television transmitters. They just don't want to give it to you for free and they legally made everyone in the Bronx get a box, so why not you?
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They can only deploy WIFI where they have existing cable. They haven't done that, and they never will. But my Verizon cell phone works everywhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23898311 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:37:02 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23898304 --
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Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all.

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.
CV doesn't service the entire state of New Jersey, NY or Connecticut. They can only deploy WIFI where they have existing cable. YOU live on the edge of their coverage. I live in a area where I can get WIFI from my house, all the way into NYC. I can also get 1.5mb service tethered on my cell phone from ATT. So what. Both Verizon and ATT have caps. WIFI that I don't have to pay extra for is pretty nice in my book.

Stop trolling Cablevison forums.
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I'd still be a Cablevision customer if they hadn't raised the price by 50%!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23898259 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:26:08 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23898233 said by Bobcat79:

wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that?Bobcat you continue to be uninformed. CV's investors (and many customers) continue to be negative about new deployments of tech that are to their benefit in the long term. The people on CV complain all the time about compression and artifacts on HD. CV's satellite was for ALL HD transmission but the cost and the noise and perhaps lacking a partnership with someone else cause them to sell it off. The CV satellite and the tech that it deployed made it possible for DISH to be alive today and offering all the HD channels they do in better quality and with less compression. It was too advanced at the time, but no one could afford to deploy one now.

I wish you would stop trolling the CV forums. We all know you don't like them and I'm not even sure you have service from them anymore. Do you complain about all the fees and extra charges on your dsl account?
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And when you consider that CV's WiFi coverage is very spotty and will only ever cover a tiny fraction of the state, its pointlessness becomes even more evident.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23886295 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 11:13:54 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23886052 said by Bobcat79:

said by majortom1029:

Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area.
I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal.

I have wifi and have NEVER seen a verizon wifi network. I've seen Comcast, and several other little ones, but never Verizon. (I have cv/ool)

And yes, I know exactly where the CO for Verizon is because I do communications for the MS 100 in Sept, and it always starts and ends there....
(also have a friend who works for ATT across town from them.)
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I live in CV's footprint, but CV hates NJ and we're always last to get anything.

The point is that a cell phone provides far more coverage and mobility. CV WiFi will provide ZERO additional coverage. None. Nada. Ziltch. So what's the point of providing nothing?
Grow up.

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I suppose that when cable first started laying service in a town for the first time, having service ready only to a limited part of the city was pointless? I suppose when Verizon rolls out LTE to a few cities, that the lack of coverage was pointless? I suppose when Fios only hit a few homes to begin with, it too was useless?

Are you just trolling? ... or you really that clueless? If you can't figure out the message you're being told by me, and others, then you're either really clueless or just trolling. Either way, see above.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885756 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:36:01 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885176
The point is that a cell phone provides far more coverage and mobility. CV WiFi will provide ZERO additional coverage. None. Nada. Ziltch. So what's the point of providing nothing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885176 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:44:09 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885174
And you want to know where AT&T's NOC is? It's also in Bedminster (on the other side of 287). That's no secret. They've shown it in TV commercials. You've probably even seen it, with the 30 or so flatscreen TVs on the wall. My mother got a tour of the place when she was an AT&T employee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885174 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:36:51 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885094 said by Bobcat79:

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.
Rather than voice, which is relatively cheap nowadays with $99 unlimited from the nationals, and $40 from the regional unlimited (MetroPCS, Cricket, Pocket), unlimited data would be the real lure. Same as ATT Hotspot network and the iPhone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23885094 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:10:58 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23884721
It's CLEAR you don't live in their WiFi service area, right? I think that other part, you left out, has a LOT to do with "more mobility..."...

What part of "Maybe this service is more designed for those who live in their area/footprint and want to have more mobility..."

I speak and apply the English language correctly...

You CLEARLY over looked that and are trying to twist this around on me.

Look, not only have I said it, others have too.. this service isn't for you.. move on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23884721 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:15:39 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23884123 --
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Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area. I can guarantee that there's no place in NJ that has a CV Wifi signal but doesn't have a VZW signal.

VZW has as close to 100% coverage as you can get. I think there are a few square feet in Stokes State Forest and in the Pine Barrens that don't have coverage. But CV doesn't go anywhere near those areas.

Hell, CV doesn't have a single WiFi site in my town at all.

Again, Verizon covers the whole area, making the CV WiFi useless if you have a cellular/WiFi device. CV WiFi adds nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883958 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:46:11 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883927 said by hottboiinnc:

that NOC is only prolly for your area. No, it's their primary NOC for their entire network. It's on Washington Valley Road in Bedminster, NJ. The backup site is in Texas. Their corporate headquarters used to be in the same building, but they moved a few miles up the road.

»aboutus.vzw.com/bestnetwork/netw···cts.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883927 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:41:19 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883910 said by fiberguy:

Knock knock puddin' head... where does this article say "more mobility".... ? You did! YOU said it!

said by fiberguy:

Maybe this service is more designed for those who live in their area/footprint and want to have more mobility between their home and they're daily use.
OK, "puddin' head"? (You said that, too, in case you forgot again.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883910 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:37:23 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883562 said by Bobcat79:

But WHY? If my cell phone works just about everywhere in the US and Canada without roaming, why would I even want to use WiFi hotspots that are so few and far between?

I made a 45 minute call on the way home today, and I guarantee not a single CV WiFi hotspot was on my route.
Neither verizon nor att has 100 percent coverage in all of the tri state area. There are areas on long island where you get no verizon signal at all. So it would be good for those areas. OR places like basements wher ei get an optimum wifi signal but not a carriers cell signal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883562 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:25:52 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23883014 --
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WHY? Because most likely CV has a plan for this. Maybe their own cell phone company? I wonder if it will be as successful as their satellite TV company. How many millions did they blow on that?

said by hottboiinnc:

While near an Access Point you can get free unlimited calls on the network.
They don't even have any access points in my entire town. But Verizon Wireless' Network Operations Center is across the street. I'm in range of 3 cell sites.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882706 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:38:35 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882686
They'll more than likely do data, but from the way the story is worded maybe voice as well.
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And as the other person said. MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR YOU!
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it's not about replacing the phone. You didn't read what Karl had to say. The phone would work on the WiFi ONLY when near the access point. When it would lose its signal the phone would change back to the cellular network. This would allow CV to offer unlimited voice over their network to THEIR customers.
My Palm Pre already does this. Switching automatically to a WiFi connection when within range of one. So if I was a Cablevision user, I should be able to do this without any special phone to do switching.

Of course, I am talking DATA ONLY switching. The news item doesn't make it clear if they are also talking about a continuous voice call switching back and forth between WiFi and Cell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882666 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:30:59 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882598 The closest CV WiFi is over 2 miles away.
So how does that give me "more mobility"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882598 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:20:01 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882592
I made a 45 minute call on the way home today, and I guarantee not a single CV WiFi hotspot was on my route.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882592 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:18:14 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882560
... Maybe this service is more designed for those who live in their area/footprint and want to have more mobility between their home and they're daily use. Further, when you're not on their "spotty WiFi coverage" you have the good old fashion cellular network... (Notice the emphasis on being able to hand off between wifi and cellular networks??)

So in short, maybe this service wouldn't be the best for YOU.

People make the same arguments about providers like MetroPCS who's business model is largely on, oh wait, THE METRO in which they serve?? Meaning yea, people complain that they only cover you in the cities it serves and roaming is expensive.. but the point of providers like MetroPCS who started with Flat Rate service for $40 a month wasn't for you to have a cell phone that you could use all over the country.. it was designed to give you service in your home city which they served... in other words, the service wasn't for everyone.

But besides that, in this case, I don't think you're readying because the service allows you to use a cellular network when you're not on a WiFi.. and while you are on a WiFi, you don't HAVE to use the cellular network... pretty cool, huh? :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882560 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:12:31 EDT Re: Solution in search of a problem http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Solution-in-search-of-a-problem-23882545 --
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