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vrp
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Is it image theft, or acceptable conceptual art?

so what do you think ...

Photo Theft Versus Conceptual Art

... photographer Harry Benson was recently flipping through the New York Times when he came across an article about the Whitney Biennial exhibition in NYC, one of the leading shows for up-and-coming artists. He was shocked to find that the installation featured in the main photograph was using one of his photographs without permission. ...


Splitpair
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Infringement pure and simple.

Wayne



timcuth
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Yes, infringement.

Tim



nklb
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I agree with Splitpair See Profile and timcuth See Profile; that was wrong of the "artist"



JRSlater
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I'm no attorney, I have no legal experience and I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night but I think this is infringment written all over it.
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Rogue
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I'd sue the pants off of her. Then photograph her privates.



EGeezer
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said by Rogue:

I'd sue the pants off of her. Then photograph her privates.
*coffee comes out nose*
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Sweet Witch
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Just another example of how low the 'morals' of society have fallen.



drew
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Infringement indeed.

I enjoy PetaPixel. Glad to see others here do as well. I do believe it's the ONLY blog I ever read with any modicum of consistency.
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Chuck22
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Infringement is far too polite a word--I believe that theft fits much better!
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jaykaykay
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I have to agree with Chuck. That's blatant stealing.



SandShark
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Conceptual art? I'm not even sure what that means? As far as I know, there is no such phrase in copyright law. If we're talking about derivative works, the offending "art piece" isn't even close to representing a derivative work. Besides that,"[o]nly the owner of copyright in a work has the right to prepare, or to authorize someone else to create, a new version of that work." And fair use is something totally different, which would not apply in this case.

It is copyright infringement, no doubt about it. One would think Ms. O'Grady, being an artist herself, would know better.



SueS
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I found a dictionary definition for conceptual art, and I do not see how it would apply in this case.

The definition is as follows.
art conveying concepts: art designed to present an idea rather than to be appreciated for its creative skill or beauty, often making use of unconventional media instead of painting or sculpture



DownTheShore
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I'd say theft. She used the image without permission, didn't even bother to change it much (not enough from my POV to fall under "art") or to give the original photographer credit, and is planning to run off a series of prints and make money off of it.



SandShark
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said by SueS:

I found a dictionary definition for conceptual art, and I do not see how it would apply in this case.
That was the point I was attempting to convey. The author of the blog post seemed to be saying that using the image as "acceptable conceptual art" was, somehow, permitted; thus, he used "image theft" as the antithesis. There is nothing I could find in copyright law that allows someone to use, without permission, a photograph under the guise of acceptable conceptual art and the author of the blog post cited no references for that phrase. Other than the blog post and this thread, a Google search pulled up no such phrase.


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Based on the images I see in the articles if I were on a jury and saw the photo and the artwork, I'd conclude the artwork the photograph that's been used as a painting, or printed or photoshopped to an artistic effect. If that's "derivative work", then Benson should prevail.

Mr. Benson probably has the resources to effectively pursue such matters should a perpetrator refuse to cooperate. It's just a shame he may have to go through the process.
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said by EGeezer:

Based on the images I see in the articles if I were on a jury and saw the photo and the artwork, I'd conclude the artwork the photograph that's been used as a painting, or printed or photoshopped to an artistic effect. If that's "derivative work", then Benson should prevail.

Mr. Benson probably has the resources to effectively pursue such matters should a perpetrator refuse to cooperate. It's just a shame he may have to go through the process.
"What it is...is conceptual plagiarism...I just want the picture taken down..."

»www.pdnpulse.com/2010/03/whitney···pic.html


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Interesting article! I wonder how many other people's work she may have "conceptualized".

With sufficient publicity, Ms. O'Grady's name may become a verb associated with "conceptual Plagiarism".

"I see your Arctic Landscape images have been o'grady'd by Frederic Phlegm and is on display at the Whitney".
I see from the Whitney blurb on their site that they didn't mention Mr. Benson's photo other than to say it was chosen from "tens of thousands of internet images of Jackson".

»www.whitney.org/Exhibitions/2010···neOGrady

What a slap in the face by the Whitney bunch.

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The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis


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After viewing here web site it is apparent that none of her work is original or based upon her own original work. Her process seem to be to Photoshop others efforts and lay claim to them as her own.

Too bad PILLORY is no longer used!!
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rog
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I wouldn't necessarily use the word theft so much as complete lack of imagination......um, maybe that's the same as 'conceptual art.'


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