Topic 'Re: Anything but VZW' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23958749 en Sat, 25 May 2013 18:13:59 EDT Sat, 25 May 2013 18:13:59 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23966166
What is being floated, is that sometime after the year 2017, intercarrier compensation fees paid by interstate long distance carriers to local ILECs will be phased down (they are essentially a hidden cross-subsidy now for rural carriers). After 2020 the system will move to bill and keep.

What the plan suggests, that in some cases, (under a completely new cost allocation system, where all revenues (voice, video, data) and all network costs are taken into account, unlike today), local Incumbent Exchange carriers will be able, in some states, to raise the Subscriber Line Charge, which is currently $6.50, by a couple of bucks at most if they can demonstrate that this is needed to recover costs.

The plan also talks about "rate-rebalancing" in a few states where state regulators have kept the price for basic local service artificially low compared to the national average.

But what is important to note here, and what Burstein fails to understand:

1) These potential increases will only ever apply to customers of traditional phone service -- Cable VoIP and Wireless are not permitted to charge SLCs, rates are not regulated by any entity, and are not permitted to bill long-distance carriers at the inflated interstate access fee.

2) This is not even going to happen until 2017;

3) When it does happen, it is unlikely to impact anyone, because the entire subsidy formula will have changed, accounting for currently-off-the-books data and video revenues (when all costs are billed for recovery). i.e. the rural guys who are feeding at the subsidy trough will find themselves unable to raise the SLC.

I appreciate Dave Burstein's work, and he's dead on about how the NBP doesn't address affordability, but in this case, his analysis suffers from lack of complete understanding about the USF/ICC debate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23966166 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:27:29 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23962317 --
Would like a landline but wireless will work for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23962317 Wed, 17 Mar 2010 09:04:39 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23961350 said by pnh102:

said by Duramax08:

"The plan annoyingly omits how much this fee could be, but once the details are hashed out, it could raise your monthly broadband bill from anywhere from $1 to $5 a month."

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You missed this:

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the plan could actually wind up with American families paying $5-$10 more a month


except that in theory by using money from the USF, instead of paying $275 for 3G he would be paying $60 + up to $10 for another carrier. Saving him $215 a month.
Of course it doesn't work out so well for those already covered.
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"The plan annoyingly omits how much this fee could be, but once the details are hashed out, it could raise your monthly broadband bill from anywhere from $1 to $5 a month."

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You missed this:

quote:
the plan could actually wind up with American families paying $5-$10 more a month

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Would like a landline but wireless will work for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959701 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:18:40 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959491 said by Duramax08:

so on average it would be like $60 plus a small tax.Heh. We have lots of small taxes and fees tacked onto our bills. What's the harm in one more?
said by Duramax08:

That was a one time charge since the user went of there limit. atleast they are telling us now of a small fee. If they didnt, I bet you wouldnt notice the few cents extra on your bill if you auto bill.
Except it is not a few cents, it is between $1 to $10.
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"Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959491 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:39:39 EDT Re: Dump It http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Dump-It-23959464 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Dump-It-23959464 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:34:41 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959432 --
Would like a landline but wireless will work for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959432 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:28:31 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959115 said by Duramax08:

get real.............. Is my math off?
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it could raise your monthly broadband bill from anywhere from $1 to $5 a month.

quote:
the plan could actually wind up with American families paying $5-$10 more a month

So we're looking at a tax hike of $1 to $10 a month per subscription. The original poster paid $275 in one month, simple math tells us that under this plan the poster would have paid between $276 and $285 instead.
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"Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959115 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:24:27 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959072 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959072 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:15:59 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959057 said by jjeffeory:

Again. this isn't an extra fee, it's the USF rebranded.
No, the plan talks about adding another fee. Not just repurposing the USF.
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said by Upstate NY :

I got a bill for $275 from Verizon Wireless this month because I went over the 5 GB limit. Give me anything but Verizon!
And under this plan you'll pay $276 to $285. Isn't that swell?
get real..............
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Would like a landline but wireless will work for now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23959022 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:08:47 EDT Re: Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23958895 said by Upstate NY :

I got a bill for $275 from Verizon Wireless this month because I went over the 5 GB limit. Give me anything but Verizon! And under this plan you'll pay $276 to $285. Isn't that swell?
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"Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Anything-but-VZW-23958895 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:44:31 EDT Anything but VZW http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Anything-but-VZW-23958808 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Anything-but-VZW-23958808 Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:34:16 EDT Dump It http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Dump-It-23958749 quote:
The bill could actually increase the cost of broadband and phone service.

This alone makes this plan a non-starter. You cannot make something more affordable by raising the price.

I hope all you people out there who were clammoring for central planning with regards to broadband are happy now, and will cheerfully pay this tax every month.
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