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dagg

join:2001-03-25
Galt, CA

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reply to rradina

Re: This is what everyone wants...

i both agree and disagree with what you are saying.

government regulations are not going to help much in this situation simply because the telcos are going to (as has already happened in several cases) ask for exemptions and lobby to make those regulations more favorable to them. regulations just arent going to work.

the corporate welfare idea is also a super bad idea simply because we do not need the government spending money to pay for something that these companies should have done on their own.

personally, i think we need to let private industry come in and completely shake up not only HSI by installing fiber (either privately or in conjunction with municipalities at the local level) but also let them shake up a bunch of other stuff by offering other communication services (phone, wireless ect) and while we are at it, lets shake up payTV services such as cable and satellite by letting them provide those services as well and let the market decide what the prices should be.

if we would get the government out of the business of "protecting us to death" and back into the business of actually running, oh i dunno... THE GOVERNMENT... it would be a huge bloody mess for about 5 years and then things would start to shape up with real competition and real options.

i know, im a madman for even suggesting such an idea

/edit for clarity

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

said by dagg:

i both agree and disagree with what you are saying.

government regulations are not going to help much in this situation simply because the telcos are going to (as has already happened in several cases) ask for exemptions and lobby to make those regulations more favorable to them. regulations just arent going to work.

the corporate welfare idea is also a super bad idea simply because we do not need the government spending money to pay for something that these companies should have done on their own.

personally, i think we need to let private industry come in and completely shake up not only HSI by installing fiber (either privately or in conjunction with municipalities at the local level) but also let them shake up a bunch of other stuff by offering other communication services (phone, wireless ect) and while we are at it, lets shake up payTV services such as cable and satellite by letting them provide those services as well and let the market decide what the prices should be.

if we would get the government out of the business of "protecting us to death" and back into the business of actually running, oh i dunno... THE GOVERNMENT... it would be a huge bloody mess for about 5 years and then things would start to shape up with real competition and real options.

i know, im a madman for even suggesting such an idea

/edit for clarity
What "private industry" wants to come in and invest in such a long-term ROI project? And what "market" are you talking about? Have you ever heard of a "natural monopoly"?
You keep using the term "shake up", as if that explains everything all on its own.

The government's job is to promote the general welfare of the populace. Infrastructure buildouts is not something corporations are willing to do, so like rural electricity it seems to me like the laying of fiber should be a government project.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

I agree and the folks who live in those areas should buy into those coops. If running fiber to everyone's home isn't feasible because there will never be a return on investment, then do WISPs. We have a lot of technology that did not exist when rural telephone and electricity projects were implemented. Let's be smart this time.

My parents live on a farm with no chance of cable TV or DSL. They have satellite TV and a wireless ISP for HSI. It costs them $50/month for up to 500Kbps down and 128Kbps up but whenever I visit, my iPhone connects to their WiFi router and seems to work fine. Can I watch hi-res YouTube videos? No but it beats the heck out of AT&T's EDGE service in the area!


sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

said by rradina:

I agree and the folks who live in those areas should buy into those coops. If running fiber to everyone's home isn't feasible because there will never be a return on investment, then do WISPs. We have a lot of technology that did not exist when rural telephone and electricity projects were implemented. Let's be smart this time.

My parents live on a farm with no chance of cable TV or DSL. They have satellite TV and a wireless ISP for HSI. It costs them $50/month for up to 500Kbps down and 128Kbps up but whenever I visit, my iPhone connects to their WiFi router and seems to work fine. Can I watch hi-res YouTube videos? No but it beats the heck out of AT&T's EDGE service in the area!
Actually even during rural electrification people were experimenting with wind farms. The point is this swiss-cheese method of upgrading the US results in gross inefficiencies. Unless we upgrade everyone at the same time we won't reap the benefits of next-gen communications technology.

In fact if you look at India, where rural electrification is highly decentralized, you see immediately how inefficient and ineffective it has been in many instances. A lack of central planning has resulted in a waste of resources on obsolete technology, and a dependence on coal provided from essentially one state. It's a mess.

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