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[Rant] ps3 update = no more Linux

the big thing why is some guy hacked the unhackable via other OS
+ hardware hack to enable 3d-GPU in linux

reply to amungus
What can you expect? It's Sony! King of the DRM, the ones who made the sony cd-rookit which malware could use to further exploit a system, the ones who wanted to make blu-ray the oxymoronic ever-changing drm standard, and the moment the integrity of the console is broken it would allow for modification of the ps3 console operating system. You could say they are preventing people from cheating in games/online play, or protecting their DRM.
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Yeah, I know. Should've just bought a cheap stand alone blu-ray player instead of a console that supposedly would do "everything"

There is one aspect of this which makes no sense to me, and that is blu-ray playback.

If blu-ray discs can supposedly update players with the latest keys (or whatever DRM), then why should leaving the PS3 OS at a lower level even matter?

Why shouldn't DRM on disc be able to update the player component instead of requiring the whole system to be updated?

Are they now also intentionally breaking their own DRM design?

What if I had no internet access, and no way of updating the PS3 firmware?

I thought the whole idea of blu-ray's DRM scheme was to allow for newer discs to update the player's encryption such that playback would still work, even with no internet access on the blu-ray player..........

Are they going to mandate that a new firmware for PS3 be included on blu-ray movies? Doubt that would go over well.

Personally, I don't care about the PSN. Don't game online with it. Patches for games are nice I guess, but are the absolutely needed???

This whole thing reeks of massive class action lawsuit.

reply to amungus
They sound as bad as Nintendo, constantly pushing out updates to break the hacks...
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reply to amungus
If there is a patch available, you must download it or else you can't play the game.

reply to amungus
I've got a slim 120GB which doesn't have the "Other OS" option anyway, so it doesn't bother me. As long as the thing plays my BD and games with no issue, I'm happy.

I've got a Wii also and I can't really understand why people want to hack the things. I never hacked my Atari 2600. It did what it was designed to do, play games. I never hacked my Mattel Intellivision, I never hacked either of the Atari 800 computers that I owned, I never hacked the NES or Super NES, and I never hacked my Playstation or Playstation II.

I'm not trying to play pirated games. I buy the games that I play so I have no need to hack anything.
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Yeah, I'm not wanting to mod the PS3, even if it were possible.
Just got the thing a couple months ago.

If I want to keep Linux, blu-ray should not be affected.

Basically, it sounds like I have to back up game data etc. from the main partition, format, update, hope that the restoration works, and then have free space back (the 10GB taken up by Linux). Otherwise, update, and 10GB is "inaccessible."

Blu-ray playback is what really upsets me here. Requiring the update for this is messed up.

The "hack" that Sony is so worried about isn't even close to allowing anything to actually happen. This preemptive revocation of a feature that people expected to continue being supported is wrong.

Linux on PS3 does NOT = automatic potential future hacker/pirate

reply to beldin
The more modern systems people frequently mod to turn them into full-blown media centers. See XBMC or similar. This type of modding really only started with the Xbox since it was one of the first "main stream" consoles to have a hard drive, which allowed the space to do such things. Prior to that, there were mod chips of course, but those were mainly for region breaking/running pirated games.

In regards to the wii, people commonly hack it to allow for dvd playback.

reply to amungus
Ever since the nintendo, and genesis there has been cheating devices. The companies tried to prevent cheating in some of their games even though they were single player, but in the end as the consoles progressed the methods got more and more sophisticated. The difference here was these were single player games.

I've seen online cheaters ever since early online pc games, and even console games, however the ones hosting the online services did take steps to ban these people who felt they had to cheat.

Everyone remember the psx, and the psone? How they removed the external port, however somebody just made a bootloader cd to work on the psone anyway?

With how these consoles can require updates to play the games online is a much of a anti-online cheating feature, as it is to make sure people are not trying to play copied disks. If people are not getting the updates I'm sure there's ways to play copied disks, and cheat in single player, however this is to help prevent these people from taking these cheats online against others who except others are not cheating.

I still don't like the ever-changing drm for blu-ray, which means you can't just buy a blu-ray player for your parents, and expect it to work without updates down the road, however that is what the movie studios forced on us. There is a reason dvd is still the most popular movie media, you need an internet connection to make sure your blu-ray player can play the most recent movies, if it can play them at all as the manufacturer hasn't updated their firmware yet.
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reply to ender7074
I'm not talking about the PS3, as per the post I replied to, I was talking about older systems.

reply to amungus
I'm a little dissappointed but the fact is I haven't logged into my PS3 linux since Ubuntu 7.10 so early 08?

So it's a wash, I may hack it back on once that becomes available but mostly out of technical curiosity.
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reply to amungus
who cares this will push people even hard to mod/hack the ps3 (CFW)

Heh, yeah, it seems to have spurred the original 'hacker' to announce that he's going to work on it (custom firmware) so that people can still use the "other os" option.

Unlikely that I'll go for it (IF it ever works or gets released) - Sony will probably do like MS and start banning people's consoles or screwing something else up if they detect any mods

I'll probably end up wiping out my Linux install. Was looking forward to further tinkering, but since I'd rather just have the console do "everything" else that it does, the "ultimatum" firmware will likely have to get installed.

reply to amungus
Oh well. The PS3 has exceeded all my expectations anyways. It plays great games in HD and 5.1 sound. It does BluRay. It does internet, and it streams media from my main PC. I honestly don't care if it doesn't do Linux.

Good for Sony, keep all them damn hackers and cheaters off PSN, They deserve what they get. Time to wise up and get use to the real PS3 OS. I am loling at the people that have a brick PS3 because of linux.

Give it too me I'll use it. Poor poor hackers. I feel so bad for you. To bad you suck at, cough, hacking.
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reply to amungus
Screw Sony. I want my $400 back!! One selling point of the ps3 for me was the capability to run it as a small linux-based media server that sits beside the TV when I'm not playing games and such. Now they are going to take this feature I paid for away? I will never buy another Sony product again and everyone else who thinks this is disgusting should follow suit. The feature was advertised when I paid $400 for the console, along with other users. AT&T pulled the same type of thing with my Matrix, telling me I had to upgrade phones to get my TV back. They are going too at end of contract. I will suffer with VZW's lackluster signal by getting a mobile antenna/amp setup. What the hell is wrong with corporations these days? It is one thing to remove something from market or stop supporting it. It is entirely another to yank it from a device that has already been paid for. Really, I mean it, Sony. I'll give you my console and you give me $400. I paid for a device that can run Linux, not one that you can take features away from at will.
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This illustrates a somewhat disturbing issue with much of today's equipment that has an Internet connection built-in. Any time they want, the manufacturer can force an update on you that removes features. And before anyone says that you don't have to install the 3.21 update: If you don't install it, you'll lose what are, in my view, far more important features of the console. So it's really a choice: What features do you want to lose?

I never used the "Other OS" feature nor had any plan to, but I feel sorry for people who do use it and are now up shit creek. It's not like they had to run an illegal patch or do some runaround to enable another OS; it's right there in the PS3 system menus. If they'd had to hack the system (like an iPhone jailbreak for example), they should understand that the exploit they used might be closed at any time. But this was a legitimately exposed and documented feature. I would never have expected it to suddenly disappear and cause issues for me if I had chosen to use it when it was available.

Granted, a very small portion of people used the "Other OS" feature, but I don't like the thought that maybe one day some feature I'm using will be magically removed and I'll just have to put up with it.

Playstation 3: It only does did everything.
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reply to amungus
The hacker has better ethics than Sony. Down with sony!

A nice read

»geohotps3.blogspot.com/
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