Bahnzo
join:2002-08-09
Loveland, CO | Some things I've never understood.... 1. How are these groups proving that an IP was sharing a file?
2. Since you have to share the file to harvest the IP's of the other users downloading and sharing, doesn't that create some sort of legal snafu? I mean if you yourself are sharing copyrighted material to catch others who do, isn't that entrapment?
I got a letter a couple years ago from my ISP accusing me of sharing copyrighted material. The date and time provided by the IP harvesting company showed a time when I wasn't even at home for a period of two weeks (and it wasn't someone stealing my wi-fi, I had everything turned off) and when I asked my ISP about this and demanded what proof they had to accuse me of this, the person on the phone just stammered and made excuses.
This kind of bullshit starts with the ISP's and their willingness to be errand boys for these companies. It's good to see most ISP's are demanding court orders before they give out information, but there are plenty that just don't care or bother to really understand what is happening. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | 1. Downloading copyrighted content from a specific IP address is probably a pretty good giveaway 
2. I'm assuming since they appear to work on behalf of the copyright holders that they have obtained permission. Entrapment pertains to law enforcement agencies if I'm not mistaken. said by Bahnzo:This kind of bullshit starts with the ISP's and their willingness to be errand boys for these companies. It's good to see most ISP's are demanding court orders before they give out information, but there are plenty that just don't care or bother to really understand what is happening. The easy answer for ISPs has typically been to forward the letters. They're simply acting as a delivery service. |
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Bahnzo
join:2002-08-09
Loveland, CO | 1. I said proving tho. It's easy to pick out an IP addy and accuse them of piracy, but what actual proof do they have?
2. Yeah, but it's kind of like a banker standing outside handing out $100 bills and then calling the cops claiming people are robbing the bank. I'm surprised that noone questions this..... |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | 1. Logs? The "proof" is only required if these lawsuits actually appear in court.
2. What's to check? |
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NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:4 Reviews:
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·Pacific Bell - SBC
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said by Bahnzo:2. Since you have to share the file to harvest the IP's of the other users downloading and sharing, doesn't that create some sort of legal snafu? I mean if you yourself are sharing copyrighted material to catch others who do, isn't that entrapment? Aside from the fact that entrapment may not apply in a civil tort, most P2P streams are joined by the guardian types, and the sharing was already underway when they joined. So they would not be "soliciting an illegal act".
P.S. Though one could try to make the case that they are abetting an illegal act.
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Norman
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