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join:2005-03-19 | Re: With all due respect Karl i think it was spot on. | |
| | fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Re: With all due respect Karl said by FBGuy:i think it was spot on. I disagree.
So exactly, who's responsibility was it to ensure an INCREDIBLY amount of network coverage was available for this event? Was it AT&T's? or was it the event planner that made all the profit on this event and just expected everyone else to fall in place and be capable of a mass influx of people?
..even city planners make a business pay for improved infrustructure if their business is going to impact the local area they are wanting to disturb. Best buy in Richfield MN was required to build a new off-ramp on I-494 becuase their HQ Building was going to impact the flow of traffic with the amount of employees they were going to introduce to the area.
So, now that I think about it, maybe Karl posting this WAS spot on.. maybe it should have thrown in the fact that large event planners, if they expect their guests to be serviced in this area, should make arrangements, AND be financially responsible for it, with the networks and other services to ensure their guests will have access to services they will surely impact. | |
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| | There probably weren't enough restrooms either, but it's another chance to bash ATT for not spending a fortune so that people can tweet and post to facebook. Oh the humanity. | |
| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: With all due respect Karl said by Goldman:There probably weren't enough restrooms either, but it's another chance to bash ATT for not spending a fortune so that people can tweet and post to facebook. Oh the humanity. AT&T. Your crap, delivered!
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| | You're blaming the customer for wanting to use the service for which they've paid.
While I agree that this situation is very much an outlier, AT&T still has capacity issues. In Detroit, whenever there is a large convention at Cobo, or a hockey game at JLA or a baseball game, the entire 3G network flames out. And if the crowd size is large enough, the 2.5G network soon follows and you can't even send text messages. This affects everyone in the downtown area, not just those attending events.
We're not talking hundreds of thousands of people here, the last attendance figure for a weekday baseball game was about 16,000. While that represents a rather large bump in users, it's not like this is a surprise to AT&T. These are large structures that don't move, have been there for a long time and are widely known to attract tens of thousands of people in short bursts of time. So much so, that AT&T ADVERTISES in all but one of these structures.
AT&T has a very long way to go on its upgrade path. It's the "shouldda been" network. | |
| | | | | | | Re: With all due respect Karl I think the crux of the problem is that AT&T has applied a very minimal performance and capacity standard when constructing their network.
Normally, 3G is acceptable in Detroit and it's fantastic in Toledo, Ohio. Ditto for the areas of Florida I frequent.
I think it's unfortunate that the frequency allocations are not based upon anything more than a bidding war and/or lottery. Part of AT&T's problem is that they are rife with PCS frequencies. Those work, but not so well when you apply a minimal performance standard. | |
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00000 | said by clickie:I think the crux of the problem is that AT&T has applied a very minimal performance and capacity standard when constructing their network. Agreed. See U-Verse so another example of their short sighted moronic business strategy. | |
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| | | | Well said. The people complaining about this probably also can't understand why service doesn't work after a natural disaster either.
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| | | It's like the roadway to Coachella. You've paid for a vehicle, taxes, insurance, gas, etc., but your sitting in rush hour traffic. Why can't I drive my car at 50 miles/hr?
It's just common sense. You could spend the money to build 24 lanes so traffic would move smoothly no matter what, but it wouldn't be cost effective. Any network will have congested periods and things can be done to alleviate those problems, but you don't build a 24 lane freeway to Coachella because the traffic is bad during the festival. | |
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| Re: With all due respect Karl said by Goldman:It's like the roadway to Coachella. You've paid for a vehicle, taxes, insurance, gas, etc., but your sitting in rush hour traffic. Why can't I drive my car at 50 miles/hr? It's just common sense. You could spend the money to build 24 lanes so traffic would move smoothly no matter what, but it wouldn't be cost effective. Any network will have congested periods and things can be done to alleviate those problems, but you don't build a 24 lane freeway to Coachella because the traffic is bad during the festival. Nowhere in the right ballfield.. Fiber strands will carry way more capacity for cost ration compared to paving a road for cars. This isn't an accurate comparison by any means. | |
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| fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | Hmmmm.. I was at the Country Fest in Cadott WI last summer.. I have both ATT and Sprint... damn AT&T for not having 3G coverage there, just Edge, and damn Sprint for having NO coverage at all... I mean, they should BOTH know better than there was going to be thousands of people in a remote area of the country where service normally doesn't really occur and damn them for not providing it. | |
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 en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | said by Selenia:Of course VZW and such will have less issue in this particular situation. EVDO uses 2.5 MHz channels while UMTS uses 5 MHz channels. Spectrum is a finite resource. Close - but not quite.
EVDO uses 2.5MHz channels (1.25MHz x 2), while UMTS/HSPA uses 10MHz channels (5MHz x 2). Add into the mix that EVDO is used for data only, UMTS/HSPA has both voice and data all mixed into one. It can work ... it just didn't
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| | | | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
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1 edit | Re: With all due respect Karl The channels are much larger, which is actually a mixed blessing.
1. Large channels = large capacity + data rates (EVDO Rev A hits 3.1Mbps, HSPA hits 14.4 - HSPA+ hits 21Mbps - just not really deployed)
2. On the bad side - having GSM + HSPA 'is' the problem. carriers have ~40MHz of spectrum. Cutting over 2 channels of HSPA consumes half of the total available spectrum. GSM users still exist, and still consume spectrum for voice / data.
3. EVDO's data only ensures that a clobbered data network won't kill voice/sms. Not so on GSM/HSPA
4. EVDO is not growing much (well, except possibly in the US only) CDMA global stats (522,155,000 CDMA, vs 4.3 billion on GSM/HSPA)
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