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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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Re: All providers should back their numbers up And you forget that people would not survive with out those same businesses.
TRADE is not a one way street.
Besides.. no. Anything beyond food, water, and shelter, everything else is NOT a "want". That's an INCREDIBLY narrow view.
Our system is MUCH more complicated and intertwined. What I WILL say, AND correct you, is that things like television, movies, iPod, music.. all "wants"..
People need clothing, power, etc. etc. etc. Some people have said power isn't a necessity either before, here, in this very forum.
So, even taking part of what you said, which I agree with SOME of your belief.. if Cable is a "want" and music is a "want" and phones are a "want" then why are so many people, here, crying foul at every turn acting as if it's put too far out of their reach.. if it's a "want" and not a necessity, then your view needs to change. And, these companies don't NEED to price is like it IS some kind of "necessity" either, now, do they? These companies don't HAVE to care about you or anything else. They are actually, as you say, caring in all the right places.. they care about money and themselves.. that's what a non-necessity provider/company/maker, etc. is there for. They DON'T "care" about you..
You seem to tie in "wants" and "business care" in the same argument and it doesn't work. It's a matter of supply and demand, in the end, that matters. If you're the only one that has the supply and there is a demand, then who do you think is in the better position? Now, if 10 other people start offering up in the "supply" of a particular item, then yea, you have to start to "care" a little more.. or, in proper terms of caring, "drop your price" and "provide customer service"..
And let me set the record straight as your view is too narrow minded to see this.. (Sorry, but that's how I feel) .. I don't "defend" business.. I don't "support customers"... I see a topic, I put my two-cents in on an issue. Sometimes it falls to either side of the argument. I think that consumers and the general public is often stupid, and I also see times where the public is harmed. I also see where companies are working with in the system and I also see when they are being incredibly STUPID as well..
But yea, I "typically defend".. get real. There is a world of one side against the other, and then there is the middle ground.. I live in the middle and go where I feel it's right. Also, that's where the world actually works.. it doesn't work on one side or the other.. just remember, in the end, who decides elections too!  (it's not the extremes, for sure!)
edit: Ironic stupid statement of the day:
Unfortunately there are people who only think about themselves and that their opinions and views trumps all others, and that all others with differ opinions are just wrong and stupid. You can find one of those people if you look in the mirror. Take a look in that same mirror there buddy. You're sitting pretty high on your horse telling ME you're right and I'm wrong.. seems to me, where I'm standing, you're trying to tell me I'm wrong and you're right... let me know what YOU see in that mirror. Do you not even realize what you just got done telling me as you were busy doing it yourself? I may tell people sometimes when they're wrong - usually when its clear.. however, if you or anyone actually took the time to read my posts and not apply your own view to it, you'd see that I'm telling people there is also ANOTHER side to it.
I find it INCREDIBLY funny how people often mis-read my posts - says a lot about people. On a site where people are generally cut from the same cloth and on the same side, those people have the NERVE to sit here standing on the ground where they believe THEY are always "right".. and their way IS the ONLY way.. rarely do I say my way is the ONLY way.. I simply present another side.. so again, take a look in that mirror yourself. Most people here won't HAVE another side becuase they're already "right".. think about that one. Reply if you want, I won't read or reply to it. | |
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| said by fiberguy:And you forget that people would not survive with out those same businesses. And the businesses wouldn't survive without the people.
said by fiberguy:Besides.. no. Anything beyond food, water, and shelter, everything else is NOT a "want". That's an INCREDIBLY narrow view. Those are basic necessities in order to live. It's how they lived back in your days. Everything else is of convenience or wants. It's a fact.
said by fiberguy:People need clothing, power, etc. etc. etc. Some people have said power isn't a necessity either before, here, in this very forum. Clothing is not needed to survive. Shelter is. Fig leaves? Plenty people, back in your day, survived without what we have today. Believe me, though, I do want you to have clothing. I shiver the thought of no clothing on some.
said by fiberguy:So, even taking part of what you said, which I agree with SOME of your belief.. if Cable is a "want" and music is a "want" and phones are a "want" then why are so many people, here, crying foul at every turn acting as if it's put too far out of their reach.. if it's a "want" and not a necessity, then your view needs to change. And, these companies don't NEED to price is like it IS some kind of "necessity" either, now, do they? These companies don't HAVE to care about you or anything else. They are actually, as you say, caring in all the right places.. they care about money and themselves.. that's what a non-necessity provider/company/maker, etc. is there for. They DON'T "care" about you.. Phone, cable, music are all consider entertainment.
said by fiberguy:And let me set the record straight as your view is too narrow minded to see this.. (Sorry, but that's how I feel) .. I don't "defend" business.. I don't "support customers"... I see a topic, I put my two-cents in on an issue. Sometimes it falls to either side of the argument. I think that consumers and the general public is often stupid, and I also see times where the public is harmed. I also see where companies are working with in the system and I also see when they are being incredibly STUPID as well.. You have a reputation, on this site, for defending the big companies that are in the Cable industry. The big companies in the Telco business usually get your hell.
said by fiberguy:But yea, I "typically defend".. get real. There is a world of one side against the other, and then there is the middle ground.. I live in the middle and go where I feel it's right. Also, that's where the world actually works.. it doesn't work on one side or the other.. just remember, in the end, who decides elections too! (it's not the extremes, for sure!) Sorry, fiberguy, but you're not middle ground in the least. Cable=good, telco=bad, customers=stupid, fiberguy=intelligent, BBR users=selfish. You don't have to post anymore because people have figured out your formula.
said by fiberguy:I find it INCREDIBLY funny how people often mis-read my posts - says a lot about people. Logic dictates that if so many people misread your posts, then perhaps that says something about the source. Sorry, fiberguy, but most of the time when someone doesn't agree with you, you call them stupid, narrow minded, etc., and rarely add substance to the debate. You aren't middle ground in the least. You have the same feeling about the same people and businesses since day one. Qwest could give you a year's worth of broadband and you'd complain, but if Comcast raised your bill by $10/month, you would praise them. | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
1 edit | Upon reflection, I do not wish to post.
Not worth it. | |
| You missed the entire sarcasm here, fiberboy.
said by fiberguy: And, as I said, I never said I was middle ground either. What you said earlier:
said by fiberguy:But yea, I "typically defend".. get real. There is a world of one side against the other, and then there is the middle ground.. I live in the middle and go where I feel it's right. Also, that's where the world actually works.. it doesn't work on one side or the other.. just remember, in the end, who decides elections too! (it's not the extremes, for sure!) As well as:
said by fiberguy:Reply if you want, I won't read or reply to it. So we know you don't mean what you type, or you can't be credible. OK.
If you think a group here leans toward a certain view, what do you think you do?!
I think you missed the entire point. You, of all people, claim how people here are always about themselves ("me") and criticize them for their "wants".
The point is, besides food, water and shelter, everything else is a convenience and "wants" because everything else is not required to live. However, when I bring up that argument, you then change your tone about a difference of times and standard living. It's like you just want to argue or listen to yourself.
In the end, you missed the sarcasm. Instead, you just respond to argue while adding little substance. You criticize people for the very same thing you are blind-sighted of doing yourself. On top of that, you give me a big ole thumbs down for my post. I guess if that's all you have, then goodnight! | |
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