fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | Utopia II? .... so, basically, what will become of this operation? Will this become Utopia the 2nd?
On the surface, it sounds good, but in the end, with out the participation of the big boys, who clearly don't want to play in an open-pipe system, how is this going to be any different?
Years ago, I remember Comcast talking about wanting to be a common last mile carrier during a company meeting... nothing to this day has come from that either.
I think if Google wants to make an impact, they NEED to become the ISP and compete.. it's competition that will bring the market down in pricing. |
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| Hardly, I think their going to deploy over existing networks (like FiOS), in which they only need to upgrade the hardware to provide the 1gbps...
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
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kudos:3 | said by aztecnology:Hardly, I think their going to deploy over existing networks (like FiOS), in which they only need to upgrade the hardware to provide the 1gbps... huh? My understanding is they have to deploy a fiber network.. not use someone else's.
And, my point is not the network in general. Think Utopia.. it was a fiber delivery system that any provider was welcome to contract into and sell their services over it.. in the end, it wound up failing.. and none of the big boys even participated. So my question is what makes Google think they're going to be any different in this model? They need to simply build their network, operate it themselves, and prove their point. |
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said by aztecnology:Hardly, I think their going to deploy over existing networks (like FiOS), in which they only need to upgrade the hardware to provide the 1gbps... Doubt it, having a fiber network already present would defeat one of the reasons for Google building a fiber network. It will most-likely be their own fiber or they may purchase pre-existing dark fiber in areas that have it.
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kudos:2 | reply to fiberguy
If Google actually wanted to compete, they'd be announcing more concrete plans and not stroking the publicity for all it's worth while taunting the incumbents. I think Google will initially provide Internet service across whatever this network will be built as, but I don't believe Google wants to sustain that. I foresee this test being similar to their Wi-Fi experiment. It will be built, a few people will enjoy the luxury, and it will wither on the vine. |
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Comcast & AT&T & Verizon won't play Google's game just so that Google can push for shared infrastructure in Washington.
Besides, the above companies don't want to get in to lowest price bidding wars while a company like Google(or god forbid the government) sells physical access at set wholesale rates. The wholesaler gets its income without any marketing or advertising costs(always the highest price expenses), while the retail resellers carry all the grief of dealing with customers while at the same time getting minimal revenues due to bidding wars.
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I think in the end Google may end up altering their plans. They start off building this test-bed out. Suddenly, they are making some cash off of what they build... and getting an enormous amount of data! Google ISP is born and it wouldn't matter too much weather they are the ISP or a wholesaler. They still get the profit, they still own the pipes, and they still get the data. Suddenly, becoming an ISP doesn't look like such a far-off thing to them.
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said by jimbo2150:It will most-likely be their own fiber or they may purchase pre-existing dark fiber in areas that have it. Wouldn't they would have to pick a community where there is dark fiber to the premises to do that?
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google will put some sort of data inspection box in the network and that's how they'll collect data from all users regardless on who they use for the 'net.
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A FIBER PARTY, KNOWING AT&T PROBABLY MEANS THEY WILL BRING COPPER TO THE PARTY DEFINITELY WILL NOT BRING FIBER.
SAME FOR TIMEWARNER. |
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said by fiberguy:said by aztecnology:Hardly, I think their going to deploy over existing networks (like FiOS), in which they only need to upgrade the hardware to provide the 1gbps... huh? My understanding is they have to deploy a fiber network.. not use someone else's. I disagree, I think its just for proof of concept. There's no way they want to be a dumb pipe provider and deal with maintaining a network. Why would they be courting the incumbant last mile providers to join in with them...
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kudos:4 | reply to jimbo2150
said by jimbo2150:I think in the end Google may end up altering their plans. They start off building this test-bed out. Suddenly, they are making some cash off of what they build... and getting an enormous amount of data! Google ISP is born and it wouldn't matter too much weather they are the ISP or a wholesaler. They still get the profit, they still own the pipes, and they still get the data. Suddenly, becoming an ISP doesn't look like such a far-off thing to them. So they would become another paxio where only a handful of people can get it. *yawn*
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Not necessarily. I notice some backbone fiber locally. They could purchase dark fiber that runs down main streets or along infrastructure to use as a main line then run fiber from it into neighborhoods.
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said by aztecnology:said by fiberguy:said by aztecnology:Hardly, I think their going to deploy over existing networks (like FiOS), in which they only need to upgrade the hardware to provide the 1gbps... huh? My understanding is they have to deploy a fiber network.. not use someone else's. I disagree, I think its just for proof of concept. There's no way they want to be a dumb pipe provider and deal with maintaining a network. Why would they be courting the incumbant last mile providers to join in with them... Wrong... They are building the pipe.. They need the big boys to play ISP on there pipes. Read the press releases please.. |
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