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Re: How much to wire the entire population And how exactly do you propose to pay for this trillion dollar giveaway? Slash just 100 of our 850 military bases, and stop the practice of "nation building"? Not to veer too far off topic, but how many U.S. national fiber networks would the money we paid into Iraq pay for? You could probably pay for five national fiber networks just off of the last year's political pork. All of which taxpayers paid for without the same kind of face-fanning that happens when people propose actually investing taxpayer money into our broadband infrastructure. |
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| Thank you! I've said the same thing before all the money could hook us up with FTTH. |
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 P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
join:2001-08-29
way way out | reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode:And how exactly do you propose to pay for this trillion dollar giveaway? Slash just 100 of our 850 military bases, and stop the practice of "nation building"? Not to veer too far off topic, but how many U.S. national fiber networks would the money we paid into Iraq pay for? You could probably pay for five national fiber networks just off of the last year's political pork. All of which taxpayers paid for without the same kind of face-fanning that happens when people propose actually investing taxpayer money into our broadband infrastructure. sure lets cut all these to pay for FIBER....
lets not put education, homeless, healthcare, cure for cancer, feed the hungry....etc first....
the investment in FIBER to the home would not generate the returns.
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 neowulf
join:2000-10-20
Port Orange, FL | I think Karl's point is valid. We spend trillions on bases, some of which are no longer needed but we still spend money on them that serves no interest to real defense, just a money sink.
You are right that we should put money into education, homeless, health-care, cures for diseases and make sure starving people in our country are feed before putting in a fiber network.
The investment in our military is also not generating any returns. But the amount of money that is wasted could do everything you mentioned plus bonuses such as a fiber network for all.
We would all be living a much better life if our military was scaled back to just defense, and not used to police the world. But that isn't the American way, we believe in a big military rather then all the things you mentioned. |
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Sorry, Karl, I would prefer the military bases to broadband. The nation building I can agree with. |
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the investment in FIBER to the home would not generate the returns.
That's simply not true. If you structure the payback on the system over a 10-20 year period, you not only stimulate the economy with a massive national construction project but generate a significant return on investment once debt is paid off. |
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elray
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said by Karl Bode:And how exactly do you propose to pay for this trillion dollar giveaway? Slash just 100 of our 850 military bases, and stop the practice of "nation building"? No argument here - we could can certainly recoup a lot of money from our military budget and the off-balance-sheet war funding - but that would only reduce the deficit, not pay for new entitlements. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to P Ness
said by P Ness:sure lets cut all these to pay for FIBER.... lets not put education, homeless, healthcare, cure for cancer, feed the hungry....etc first.... the investment in FIBER to the home would not generate the returns. What do you do when the homeless want to be homeless? when being on welfare and off the books begging is an easier job than working? There will never be a cure for cancer, the same way there will never be a nuclear WW3, nobody funds cures, if you cure someone, you can't make more money off them. Feed the hungry? Food stamps and welfare already fix that.
K-12 education is hopelessly broken, $50/hr and pension for a person that never aspired higher than "liberal arts" in college, lowering the standard to increase graduation, never hold parents responsible for the kid never doing homework in 12 years. If public education worked, private schools wouldn't exist. If public school was as good as private, only an idiot would pay twice, once as property tax, other as private tuition, for the same education for their kid. Then the overpaid public teachers get the extra tuition a private school student paid in property taxes. Rewarding failure.
Fiber is the same investment roads, law enforcement, garbage pickup, etc is. |
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Saying "The investment in our military is also not generating any returns." is short sighted.
Through the military budget, thousands (maybe millions) of people are being employed. Whether it is directly as armed soldiers and the like, working at defence contractors, or in R&D centers. Additionally, a secondary level of employment exists in the form of additional revenue being brought into companies that supply electronic parts an testing equipment, manufacturing machines (CNC's, milling machines, lathes, etc.), and all sort so other supplies. Looking all this, saying that it is not generating any returns is a little short sighted as the returns can be found in the economy, to start with. |
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join:2003-05-03
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You seriously don't know what many teachers make. Some states, such as Wyoming, can pay their teachers a decent wage, first year teacher makes around $40,000. In Ohio, like many other states, that same first year teacher will make $24,000.
I would say 70% of the failure in public schools are the parent(s) the other 20% are teachers, and the other 10% is straight up politics. You can fire the teachers (though sometimes a challenge) You cannot fire the parents. Politics... well... that Politics. |
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