amungusPremium
join:2004-11-26
America Reviews:
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| couple things First, flash was largely a huge backtrack for video. Clunky, too much trouble, and playback is miserable in many cases where a computer can otherwise play HD quality from ACTUAL VIDEO CODECS just fine! Audio usually suffers as well, needlessly...
I'm sorry, but 8-cores and SLI shouldn't be needed for video, let alone streaming video. At that point, such a computer could probably run a holodeck 
Why on earth flash (video) is so prevalent, I do not know. Thought it was a terrible idea "back in the day" just as much as now.
Bring on something else, I'm cool with that. VP8 (and some earlier versions) were pretty good. Basically a video codec that streamed quite well with reasonable bandwidth and compute requirements. If Flash can "use" this codec instead of its own, by all means, please.... sooner the better...
x.264 is good and all too, but I agree w/the need for being done with licensing messes.
Good for Jobs and all, for sticking to his guns and saying that Flash support would be wasteful, they just went with the best (VIDEO codec... which Flash is NOT! That they argue this baffles me...) they could at the time (x.264) and will hopefully support this new codec coming along...
Go Google. Please help the 'net move past this backtrack that was flash video. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| FWIW, I'm guessing that you're actually talking about VP6, not VP8, as "were pretty good." Also FWIW, VP6 is the default codec for older versions of Flash, though now it's transitioning to H.264 (and now VP8).
As far as Flash goes, the player integrates codes...that's not *all* it does but codecs in Flash mean that if your browser is compatible with Flash then it's compatible with those video formats within Flash. Also FP 10.1 isn't all that bad...I have integrated graphics on my MacBook and it'll play HD with FP 10.1.
But if you've got a web browser that can do HTML5 video straight up with VP8 (Chrome, FF, Opera) then that's what will get used. VP8 is a full-on codec and NOT tied to Flash by any stretch!
Another FWIW: there are rumblings that Microsoft is in with the WebM bunch as well...I mean, why not? WMV really has never caught on.
As for Apple, they might be idiots and insist on supporting H.264, and H.264 only, on their iPhone/iPad platforms, out of spite against Google. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Safari (desktop and mobile editions) took six to twelve months to get VP8 support, even though FF and Chrome will have it by the end of the month in release builds, and already have it in nightlies today. Heck, Opera wil have VP8 in short order, even!
Betcha Apple will hold off until IE gets VP8 (a year from now), then whine about how Google's open standard is either
a) Not open
b) Substandard
and as such they shouldn't be required by the masses to support it. Though Flash in desktop Safari will gladly do the whole VP8 thing if that happens...it's just that iPad/iPhone users will be SOL unless they jailbreak and add the inevitable codec. |
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said by amungus:I'm sorry, but 8-cores and SLI shouldn't be needed for video, let alone streaming video. At that point, such a computer could probably run a holodeck Really? Exaggerate much? I have a basic Compaq laptop with a dual core AMD chip and Nvidia integrated graphics that will run flash full screen without stutter. I find it amazing you need 8 cores and SLI.
Yes Google is in business to make money but how anyone can say they dont have good intentions as well is beyond me. Some facts. Google Navigate saves me money buy replacing my paid NAV system. They put together a smartphone OS that allows me to finally customize it the way I want and need. They made a search engine that delivers the results I need. They work harder than most companie in dealing with environmental issues buy buying carbon credits and building solar power plants of the roofs of data centers and soo much more. yeah real evil!!! |
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19
·Comcast
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FWIW I have never had a problem with Flash video. and I don't think flash needs your 8core sli rig to shine.
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zed260Premium
join:2007-09-30
Cleveland, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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simple flash is so common today that its hard to displace its marketshare
same things happened with the us dollor for instance once it became so common and liquad that it can be used to echange for anything it is hard to replace without a crisis |
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 Unother
join:2005-03-23
West Hartford, CT
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People are forgetting that this move on Google's part may be strategic.
Apple has already standardized on H.264. Their entire push is in that direction.
If we agree that the "future is mobile", one can see why with a competing platform to the iPhone (Android), Google may be willing to tweak Apple and its attempt to standardize otherwise.
As a plus, they get to look like an "open standards hero"--while being nothing of the sort...
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Meh, pretty sure that spending a hundred million on buying a company, then open-sourcing the tech that they bought, is not bad for OSS. |
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Unother
join:2005-03-23
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 KoolMoeAw ManPremium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD | reply to amungus
Flash is not just video. Flash video is not a codec.
Flash FLV/F4V is a container, like MPEG, AVI, MOV, etc.
The video within can contain one of a few codecs; Sorenson Spark, VP6 to VP8, or H.264.
KM
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