Topic 'Re: Hurt what?' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322037 en Fri, 24 May 2013 19:19:50 EDT Fri, 24 May 2013 19:19:50 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24336030 said by R4M0N:

Not entirely accurate... You can download without sharing. At least you could back in the day when I tried it... I haven't used Bit Torrent in a few years now.That trusted legal test brokedown several years ago. A court ruled against defense saying piracy behaviors & techniques had become too widely known and understood. Result is case law exists.

It's mute anyway, IMO. Nobody's going to court without multiple confirmed infringement events over time. At that point courts won't care whether uploading occurred or not. Further, copyright holders hate court: bad PR and usually won't collect anything anyway. It's a no-brainer they run an ability-to-pay assessment the minute a name and phys address is in hand. They want settlements even if it's $20 plus a cease&desist/won't disclose terms statement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24336030 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:12:54 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24324721 said by RARPSL:

As to how they can know who is downloading it, all that is needed is to connect to the BT Server and get a list of who is currently downloading and/or seeding it (ie: The Peers).
That would be the "tracker", which has the list. I am not sure I'd classify it as a "BT Server". The only servers carrying the pieces of the file would be the peers.

But, yes, all an investigator needs do to find out who is "serving" in a torrent is connect to the tracker. The investigators' own BT clients will reveal the list of the IPs acting as file servers.
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Avatar should have won best picture.
I feel asleep a couple of times in the theater.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323823 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:36:16 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323808 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323808 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:33:28 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323797 said by SixSpeed:

How do they know who "down loaded" it? Unless they hosted it themselves for distribution, I'm not sure they can catch the D/L'ers, just the hosters.

Hurt Locker failed because nobody wanted to see it, not because of piracy. Plenty of movies still break records in the "piracy" age.
I'm going to assume they send a letter to the person who owns the account that was using the IP address at the time they found it delivering their movie via a file sharing service.

Personally, I'd like to see a warning or two sent before going for damages. At the same time, even a movie like "The Hurt Locker" is entitled to copyright protection.

The other day a friend demonstrated a P2P client installed on his android phone, he said it was great he listed the song or movie he wanted and eventually it would arrive.

At some point copyright owners are entitled to enforce their property rights. Anyone who won't pay $.99 to download a song or $9 a month to subscribe to Netflix and legally get tons of content probably should be concerned about the potential for litigation.

Many people casually violate copyright without thinking about it. IMO that is as wrong as these vultures sending out threats to mostly hapless moms and dads of teens, or worse someone running a router with the SSID "linksys". I think the wireless standard should require wireless off on all routers, and a random password to be set on initial activation unless the user overrides.
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said by RARPSL:

Since this is BitTorrent we are talking about, EVERYONE who is downloading it is also hosting those parts ("pieces") of the file that they have already downloaded. Only once you have finished downloading the full file do you go into full Hosting (AKA Seeding) Mode.
Not entirely accurate... You can download without sharing. At least you could back in the day when I tried it... I haven't used Bit Torrent in a few years now.
Unless you use a special hacked BT Client (which does not seed) the only time you are not going to share is when some of the peers you are connected to are Seeds and all the others in the pool either do not connect to you or already have the pieces you have. Under normal situations, you will share the pieces you have with any peer who asks you for them. The protocol is designed to have you share and the fact that you do not actually do so is dependant on what peers you are talking to and what pieces they want/need.

The point I was making is that you host the pieces (or the full file) and if asked you will supply them. The fact that due to the number of Seeds in the pool and the number of leaches (those peers who do not yet have the full file) you are not actually distributing pieces does not alter the fact that you are still hosting them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323734 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:21:18 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323483 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323483 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:11:49 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323422 said by ArrayList:

you are correct you can download without sharing.
It's better to keep that to yourself, the prosecution doesn't know that ;).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323422 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:36:10 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24323171 said by Karl Bode:

You know, the muppet that lives in a garbage can? Whoa... they've been infringing on Sesame Street's trademark for all this time! SICK 'EM!
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It made all the money back for production plus marketing by a mile. It was still a piece of shit, but a piece of shit that made money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322520 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:17:53 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322512
It was the biggest politically induced Oscar injustice since Shakespeare in Love beat Saving Private Ryan. Shakespeare in what? Exactly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322512 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:16:35 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322481 said by RARPSL:

Since this is BitTorrent we are talking about, EVERYONE who is downloading it is also hosting those parts ("pieces") of the file that they have already downloaded. Only once you have finished downloading the full file do you go into full Hosting (AKA Seeding) Mode.Not entirely accurate... You can download without sharing. At least you could back in the day when I tried it... I haven't used Bit Torrent in a few years now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322481 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:09:32 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322328 --
BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322328 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:40:11 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322311 said by pnh102:

said by Karl Bode:

The movie that won best picture at the Oscars?
The Oscars?
You know, the muppet that lives in a garbage can?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322311 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:37:14 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322302 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322302 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:36:55 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322278 said by SixSpeed:

How do they know who "down loaded" it? Unless they hosted it themselves for distribution, I'm not sure they can catch the D/L'ers, just the hosters.
Since this is BitTorrent we are talking about, EVERYONE who is downloading it is also hosting those parts ("pieces") of the file that they have already downloaded. Only once you have finished downloading the full file do you go into full Hosting (AKA Seeding) Mode.

As to how they can know who is downloading it, all that is needed is to connect to the BT Server and get a list of who is currently downloading and/or seeding it (ie: The Peers). By connecting to peers, you can get a list of what parts they already have. Requesting and receiving these pieces, you know that they are "hosting". Doing this with each peer (without sending back any pieces) you get your list.

Note: I am not saying that this is the actual method being used but only a theoretical way that it can be done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322278 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:32:03 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322223
»boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hurtlocker.htm

made back what it cost to produce
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BlooMe]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322223 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:24:51 EDT Re: Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322219 said by Karl Bode:

The movie that won best picture at the Oscars? The Oscars?
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Hurt Locker failed because nobody wanted to see it, not because of piracy. Plenty of movies still break records in the "piracy" age.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hurt-what-24322145 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:11:50 EDT Hurt what? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Hurt-what-24322037 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Hurt-what-24322037 Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:54:51 EDT