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Morac
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Only people really affected are video streamers

I use my iPhone heavily and have yet to exceed 1 GB a month. Normally I'm around 500 MB or less. I don't do a lot of video streaming over 3G. The one month I nearly exceeded 1 GB was when I spent a lot of time using the Sling app.

So the 2 GB cap isn't that big a deal for me and I'll end up paying $5 less (well less than $5 technically since I'm on a discounted plan).

Tethering is good, but the announcement doesn't mention whether or not you get extra GB for the $20 a month. My guess is that for $45 a month you have 2 GB shared between tether and the phone itself. I don't understand why it costs $20 more a month. What's the difference between downloading 2 GB on the phone itself or on a PC connected to the phone?
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state
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Well audio streaming can suck up bandwidth just as easily. I went back and looked at my usage for last month, which was about 1.5GB, and all I really did was stream Pandora, surf and use email. It adds up quick.

As for the tethering, from what I've seen it looks like your assumption is correct, that it's two gigabytes shared between the computer and the phone. At least I haven't seen anything that refutes it.

I'll be staying with my "unlimited" plan for now, thanks.


Morac
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said by state:

I'll be staying with my "unlimited" plan for now, thanks.
Is there an option to stay with the current plan?
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PhoenixDown
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reply to Morac
I just looked at my data usage.

Line # 1:
Average is about 280 Megs a month
High is 680 Megs for one month

Line # 2:
Average is about 300 Megs a month.
High is 300 Megs
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state
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reply to Morac
Yes.

According to AT&T, existing customers can keep their unlimited plans. The new pricing and data rates only come into affect for new customers, or customers that want tethering (tethering requires a $20 additional fee on top of their "DataPro" plan).

I've gotta ask though, why not just keep unlimited and jailbreak for the tethering option? I'm sure someone here is doing this.


jmn1207
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reply to PhoenixDown
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BB Usage Data
I am using an average of 600MB over the last year, but this is with a non-business-use BlackBerry Tour, which hardly sees as much data usage as a more media driven device, such as an iPhone or a newer Android unit. An occasional internet query, a smattering use of Sprint navigation, and a few hours of music streaming each week are the prime drivers.

If I used my 3G phone in a similar manner that I currently use my WiFi only iPad, I could see myself frequently going over a 2GB limit. I do have a Slingbox Pro-HD, but I don't currently watch much video on my phone because the SlingPlayer app does not work correctly with my BB model. I would love to be able to stream TV, which will significantly increase my monthly data usage. I'm certain that I would be one of those 2% that exceeds 2GBs if I had an iPhone.

Couch Potato
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reply to state
I've gotta ask though, why not just keep unlimited and jailbreak for the tethering option? I'm sure someone here is doing this.
Because it's illegal. people who do this are violating both the AT&T and the Apple terms of use.


La Luna
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reply to Morac
said by Morac:

Is there an option to stay with the current plan?
These changes apply only to new customers now, and everybody else as their contracts expire.
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reply to Morac
that is a TOS violation not a law break.

anyway back on topic, so much for my plans to get a smart phone, ditch XM and just use internet radio all the time in the car. as i figure other carrier smartphone plans will go a similar route. if only there where a way to see how much my stream sucks down on its own. anytime i am home i am listening to a station that runs at 128kbit mp3.
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Morac
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reply to Couch Potato
said by Couch Potato See ProfileBecause it's illegal. people who do this are violating both the AT&T and the Apple terms of use.
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It's not illegal, but it is a violation of the terms of service. The worst that could happen is that AT&T could terminate your service, but I haven't heard of them doing so.
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Morac
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reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:

anyway back on topic, so much for my plans to get a smart phone, ditch XM and just use internet radio all the time in the car. as i figure other carrier smartphone plans will go a similar route. if only there where a way to see how much my stream sucks down on its own. anytime i am home i am listening to a station that runs at 128kbit mp3.
According to Apple's Development streaming FAQ audio streaming over 3G is limited to 64 kbps. That would give you about 72.8 hours of 3G audio streaming before you hit the 2 GB cap. I think video streams are limited to about 150 kbps, which would be about 34 hours to hit 2 GB.

So I'll need to expand my original post to any kind of streaming, video or audio.
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fiberguy
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Um, okay... why would you want to stream internet radio in your car? Why spend so much money on a smart phone, data plans, etc, when that very smart phone has an MP3 player... why not just do like everyone else does these days? ... go steal the music, put it on your phone or MP3 player and be your own radio station. Requires NO data plan, NO worries about 3G/4G coverage and all the other hassles.


TKJunkMail
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said by fiberguy:

Um, okay... why would you want to stream internet radio in your car? Why spend so much money on a smart phone, data plans, etc, when that very smart phone has an MP3 player... why not just do like everyone else does these days? ... go steal the music, put it on your phone or MP3 player and be your own radio station. Requires NO data plan, NO worries about 3G/4G coverage and all the other hassles.
So you're suggesting he "steal" music instead of accessing it legally?


FFH5
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reply to Morac
said by Morac:

I use my iPhone heavily and have yet to exceed 1 GB a month. Normally I'm around 500 MB or less. I don't do a lot of video streaming over 3G. The one month I nearly exceeded 1 GB was when I spent a lot of time using the Sling app.

So the 2 GB cap isn't that big a deal for me and I'll end up paying $5 less (well less than $5 technically since I'm on a discounted plan).

Tethering is good, but the announcement doesn't mention whether or not you get extra GB for the $20 a month. My guess is that for $45 a month you have 2 GB shared between tether and the phone itself. I don't understand why it costs $20 more a month. What's the difference between downloading 2 GB on the phone itself or on a PC connected to the phone?
Especially since a lot of data use, especially video streaming, will be done over WiFi connections and not 3g connections.
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lol - right... ANYONE that knows or attacks me around here regularly knows that I don't back music thieves... however, the "music is free" crowd suggests that enough already. I was just pulling that line for once being tongue-in-cheek about it.

However, in the SPIRIT of it being about cost savings, my point stands... DOWNLOAD music and play it that way.

edit: sorry, I forgot MY ---->


amarryat
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reply to Morac
said by Morac:

According to Apple's Development streaming FAQ audio streaming over 3G is limited to 64 kbps. That would give you about 72.8 hours of 3G audio streaming before you hit the 2 GB cap. I think video streams are limited to about 150 kbps, which would be about 34 hours to hit 2 GB.

So I'll need to expand my original post to any kind of streaming, video or audio.
Where is my math wrong? 2GB = 2,000,000,000 bytes approximately, right? 64kbs = 64,000 bits per second approx, right?

So 2 billion / 64 thousand = 31250 seconds.

31250 / 3600 = 8.6 hours.

Is that not right?

**** Edit **** already figured out the error above, comparing bits to bytes.


espaeth
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said by amarryat:

Where is my math wrong? 2GB = 2,000,000,000 bytes approximately, right? 64kbs = 64,000 bits per second approx, right?
8 bits to a byte.

64kilobits per second = 8 kilobytes per second.


ptrowski
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said by Couch Potato:

I've gotta ask though, why not just keep unlimited and jailbreak for the tethering option? I'm sure someone here is doing this.
Because it's illegal. people who do this are violating both the AT&T and the Apple terms of use.
Illegal? Against the TOS maybe, but hardly illegal.
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amarryat
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reply to espaeth
said by espaeth:

said by amarryat:

Where is my math wrong? 2GB = 2,000,000,000 bytes approximately, right? 64kbs = 64,000 bits per second approx, right?
8 bits to a byte.

64kilobits per second = 8 kilobytes per second.
You're right. I realized that after I submitted


FFH5
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reply to amarryat
said by amarryat:

Where is my math wrong? 2GB = 2,000,000,000 bytes approximately, right? 64kbs = 64,000 bits per second approx, right?

So 2 billion / 64 thousand = 31250 seconds.

31250 / 3600 = 8.6 hours.

Is that not right?
You divided Bytes/bits, so your time calculation is wrong. 64,000 bits = 8,000 bytes.
Then cacl should be 2 billion / 8 thousand = 250,000 secs
250,000 / 3600 = 69.4 hours
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said by fiberguy:

Um, okay... why would you want to stream internet radio in your car?...
This is a matter of music listening preferences combined with convenience, and people like myself are clearly in the minority. I prefer a music service, such as Zune or Rhapsody, to that of an iTunes-like business model. Downloading my favorites songs to a device and listening to them in a car is similar to browsing through a bunch of old photographs that I took. It's enjoyable, but limiting. I liken radio listening, at least with services such as Pandora and Slacker, to that of capturing new pictures of things yet undiscovered. Some are keepers, while others are throwaways.

While I have a music library collection of more songs than I could possibly listen to in a month of constant play, I still spend more than half of my time exploring for new music. Satellite radio offers a great experience with regards to music discovery and randomness that some of us crave. If somebody already has a need for a phone with a data plan, it could save them money by dropping the monthly satellite radio bill and using an alternate 3G streaming radio instead.

patcat88

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reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy:

Um, okay... why would you want to stream internet radio in your car? Why spend so much money on a smart phone, data plans, etc, when that very smart phone has an MP3 player... why not just do like everyone else does these days? ... go steal the music, put it on your phone or MP3 player and be your own radio station. Requires NO data plan, NO worries about 3G/4G coverage and all the other hassles.
Selecting songs is too hard and too much time.


Morac
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said by patcat88:

Selecting songs is too hard and too much time.
Set up some playlists ahead of time. On the 3GS you can use voice command it to play playlists.
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WernerSchutz

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reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy:

Um, okay... why would you want to stream internet radio in your car? Why spend so much money on a smart phone, data plans, etc, when that very smart phone has an MP3 player... why not just do like everyone else does these days? ... go steal the music, put it on your phone or MP3 player and be your own radio station. Requires NO data plan, NO worries about 3G/4G coverage and all the other hassles.
Because there are good internet radio stations that have real european music and not only the shit that passes for music here on the radio that certain people probably like.

You may read up also that illegal downloading falls under copyright infringement and not theft and also read up on extortion and blackmailing.

Couch Potato
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reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:

said by Couch Potato:

I've gotta ask though, why not just keep unlimited and jailbreak for the tethering option? I'm sure someone here is doing this.
Because it's illegal. people who do this are violating both the AT&T and the Apple terms of use.
Illegal? Against the TOS maybe, but hardly illegal.
Isn't breach of contract against the law?

Couch Potato
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said by ptrowski:

said by Couch Potato:

I've gotta ask though, why not just keep unlimited and jailbreak for the tethering option? I'm sure someone here is doing this.
Because it's illegal. people who do this are violating both the AT&T and the Apple terms of use.
Illegal? Against the TOS maybe, but hardly illegal.
I do know that stealing services is against the law and if you're not paying for tethering and you are tethering, then you're stealing services. I learned from working for a cable company many years ago that stealing services is a federal crime and is punishable by up to 5 years in prison AND up to a $250,000 fine.


ptrowski
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I am not stealing anything. It may be against the TOS but that is hardly illegal. So what you are saying is that tethering data is a completely different data system and by me tethering currently I am accessing that data system?

patcat88

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reply to Morac
said by Morac:

Set up some playlists ahead of time. On the 3GS you can use voice command it to play playlists.
Still too hard. I don't want to know the names or songs of the artists I listen to. I dont want to weed out old songs, or have to decide if I heard that song "enough" times. I just want to click the genre and my interaction ends at that. I'm that lazy.

WernerSchutz

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said by patcat88:

said by Morac:

Set up some playlists ahead of time. On the 3GS you can use voice command it to play playlists.
Still too hard. I don't want to know the names or songs of the artists I listen to. I dont want to weed out old songs, or have to decide if I heard that song "enough" times. I just want to click the genre and my interaction ends at that. I'm that lazy.
Users are trying to get what radio does not offer anymore: good music, selection of specific genres, exposure to new music that a user has interest in. I listen to eurodance music. In the Houston area there is nothing like that on the radio. I pay $5/month to di.fm to listen to vocal eurodance music streamed to my iphone 3g. I am not stealing anything. di.fm has a license to broadcast that music, I am paying for service to AT&T and di.fm and I DO NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO THE INCESSANT LAUGHING AND STUPID JOKES that the DJ's feel they have to do every 2 minutes, plus the endless advertisements interspersed with the occasional music which is barely supportable.

You want to hear annoying ? Listen to 104.1 FM in Houston and that horrid woman's laughing in the morning and you WILL be pissed off all day.

I hate Clearchannel and their "selection" of music and irritating DJ's. I do not like XM radio. Streaming over 3g is an excellent alternative.

WernerSchutz

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reply to Couch Potato
said by Couch Potato:

I do know that stealing services is against the law and if you're not paying for tethering and you are tethering, then you're stealing services. I learned from working for a cable company many years ago that stealing services is a federal crime and is punishable by up to 5 years in prison AND up to a $250,000 fine.
Yes, company supporters are quick with the "stealing of services" line. How about the fraud when services paid for are not delivered or underdelivered consistently ? Oh, that must be that little "up to" loophole.