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IPPlanMan
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reply to MyDogHsFleas

Re: File an FTC Complaint for AT&T changing the terms

No it's not incorrect.

The whole point of the "breakthrough" unlimited plan was that you could activate it or deactivate it without a contract.

Now, just over 1 month after the iPad 3G ships to customers, AT&T eliminates that capability to add/remove the unlimited plan.

So now the people on the "unlimited" plan, have to stay on it and it becomes a "de facto" contract. If they ever let that "unlimited" plan lapse, then they can't get it back. That defeats the whole purpose of the iPad 3G as it was marketed and sold to customers from the outset.

Disgusting and deceitful by AT&T. This is the kind of thing that the FTC is supposed to prevent from occurring to consumers.
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by IPPlanMan:

Now, just over 1 month after the iPad 3G ships to customers, AT&T eliminates that capability to add/remove the unlimited plan.

So now the people on the "unlimited" plan, have to stay on it and it becomes a "de facto" contract. If they ever let that "unlimited" plan lapse, then they can't get it back.
I see what you are saying now, but this is a big, big stretch of a complaint. What it says is "you can cancel anytime". It does NOT say "you can deactivate and reactivate at any time." That is your interpretation. That's not what it says.

The new $25 2GB plan with $10/GB increments above that is also a no-contract plan for the iPad.

But hey, go for it. Let's see that hope and change government work for you.


IPPlanMan
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It's not a stretch at all....

Would people spend over 600 dollars (including a 130 dollar premium over the wi-fi version) on a 3G enabled device only to have the 3G service active for one month and then cancel it, with the intent to never enable it ever again?

If AT&T and Apple wanted to sell a 2GB plan with the iPad 3G, then they should have been forthcoming and done that from the outset when the pre-orders were placed.... and the outset means barely a month after the devices ship to consumers.

Think they would have sold as many iPad 3G devices with a 2GB capped data plan? Not a chance in hell.

Here's what Apple says on their website:
»www.apple.com/ipad/3g/

No-contract 3G service.
AT&T 3G Data Plans for iPad
Data per month Price per month
250MB $14.99
Unlimited $29.99

One month is based on 30 consecutive days, and starts at the date and time of your purchase.

In the United States, 3G service is available through a breakthrough deal with AT&T. You choose the amount of data per month you want to buy — 250MB or unlimited. If you choose the 250MB plan, you’ll receive onscreen messages as you get close to your monthly data limit so you can decide whether to turn off 3G or upgrade to the unlimited plan. Best of all, there’s no long-term contract. So if you have a business trip or vacation approaching, just sign up for the month you’ll be traveling and cancel when you get back. You don’t need to visit a store to get 3G service. You can sign up, check your data usage, manage your account, or cancel your service — all from your iPad.
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MyDogHsFleas
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OK that's more of a smoking gun. Good find.

They'll probably fall back on their TOS which has language that they can change the plan at any time. So legally they're OK.


IPPlanMan
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Thanks!

Sounds to me like Apple got screwed by AT&T on the data plans just like we did. I emailed Steve Jobs to ask how something like this could happen to them and us.

I'm sure that this change will significantly affect the number of iPads sold.... and that's going to get his attention for sure.
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Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army

MyDogHsFleas
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said by IPPlanMan:

Thanks!

Sounds to me like Apple got screwed by AT&T on the data plans just like we did. I emailed Steve Jobs to ask how something like this could happen to them and us.

I'm sure that this change will significantly affect the number of iPads sold.... and that's going to get his attention for sure.
LOL you can be sure this change was jointly agreed to/negotiated by Apple with AT&T beforehand. You won't be telling Steve Jobs anything he doesn't know and understand.


IPPlanMan
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said by MyDogHsFleas:

LOL you can be sure this change was jointly agreed to/negotiated by Apple with AT&T beforehand. You won't be telling Steve Jobs anything he doesn't know and understand.
And as you recall, he said nothing about it on the D8 stage... This announcement came the day after....

You can bet he would have been called out for the "change"...
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"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army