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Re: Is listening illegal? Not unless the law says so... It is not legal to intentionally intercept an electronic communication in the USA. To use this data for commercial gain compounds the crime.
This has been the law since the late 1980s. It was written to make people feel safer about using analog cell phones. There is no exception for "in the clear" transmissions that refuse to stop at the property line.
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 n1zukBreak out the checkbookPremium join:2001-10-24 Malta kudos:2 | said by DavePR:It is not legal to intentionally intercept an electronic communication in the USA. To use this data for commercial gain compounds the crime. There are a great number of amateur radio operators and scanner enthusiasts who will disagree with you. Your choice of the word "intercept" makes one think they were breaking in and stealing the signals, rather than listening to signals that were freely available for reception.
It would be similar to fighting with your significant other, screaming your head off with all of the windows open, then expecting privacy from your neighbors about it.
said by DavePR:This has been the law since the late 1980s. It was written to make people feel safer about using analog cell phones. There is no exception for "in the clear" transmissions that refuse to stop at the property line. I'd be appreciative if you could actually link to the law, so I could see that which you speak. For unless you are speaking about cellular telephone (or other radio transmissions used for telephone conversation), I really have not heard of any other law of this type. -- New to Forum Life? Click here and learn. |
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1 edit | Federal Wiretap Act
Interceptions of electronic communications in real time come under the federal Wiretap Act. That Act provides that any person who intentionally intercepts an electronic communication is guilty of a felony and subject to a fine of up to $250,000 and imprisonment for up to five years.[10] The Wiretap Act defines an interception as the acquisition of the contents of any electronic communication through the use of any electronic, mechanical or other device.[11] So while some wardrivers may believe it is legal to peer into other peoples networks, so long as they do not record any of the information, this is not correct. Any acquisition under the Wiretap Act is unlawful, even if it only involves listening to or monitoring a communication.[12] Although no federal prosecutions of wardriving under the Wiretap Act have yet occurred, Wiretap prosecutions occur with enough frequency to make such a prosecution a possibility, even if an unlikely one.[13] ... On the other hand, an innocent accidental interception of a wireless computer network can quickly become a criminal violation when someone, who realizes they have intercepted another persons network, continues to do so at the others expense. Although there have been no published decisions involving wireless networks, this factual situation is closely analogous to a line of cases involving the interception of calls on cordless telephones that date from the mid-1990s. At that time, many individuals who purchased police scanners discovered that the scanners could also be used to intercept and monitor the telephone conversations of their neighbors cordless telephones. These individuals would have had no liability if they had stopped when they realized they had accidentally intercepted their neighbors telephone calls. When they continued to eavesdrop on their neighbors telephone conversations they were held by courts to have violated the Wiretap Act.[28] The interception of cordless telephone conversations appears closely analogous to the interception of insecure wireless computer networks. In neither case, does the fact that it is easy to conduct the interception provide a defense to liability under the Wiretap Act.
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | reply to DavePR said by DavePR:It is not legal to intentionally intercept an electronic communication in the USA. Ha, just the opposite. (with the exception of cell phone transmissions) -- standard disclaimers apply. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | reply to DavePR
Wrong »www.nf2g.com/scannist/ecpa.html
specifically:
quote: 2(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter or chapter 121 of this title for any person -
(i) to intercept or access any electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public;
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Re: Is listening illegal? Not unless the law says so... Compared to our government who mass wiretaps US citizens all in the name of national security?seems to me that all this is a big witch hunt,don't get me wrong i am not saying google can do no wrong,but i would think that the whole recession thing might be better use of our time fixing that problem. |
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| reply to AVD You can listen radio and TV stations. You can monitor Ham radio operators. You can print out NOAA weather maps. You can listen to planes in the air ans ships at sea. You can listen to public servants such as Police, Fire, USCG, etc. (except encrypted).
If you listen to an FM station's SCA without permission you have broken the law. If you listen to that station's Studio Transmitter Link on 948 MHz you have broken the law. If you listen to you neighbor's baby monitor on a scanner you have broken the law.
Interception means receiving a two party communication when you aren't either of the two parties. The connection between my router and my internet appliance is a two party communication, on a non public service, non broadcast, non amateur frequency and therefore I am afforded the protection of ECPA and other wiretap statutes against the megalomaniacal Google. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ | said by DavePR:You can listen radio and TV stations. You can monitor Ham radio operators. You can print out NOAA weather maps. You can listen to planes in the air ans ships at sea. You can listen to public servants such as Police, Fire, USCG, etc. (except encrypted). If you listen to an FM station's SCA without permission you have broken the law. If you listen to that station's Studio Transmitter Link on 948 MHz you have broken the law. If you listen to you neighbor's baby monitor on a scanner you have broken the law. Interception means receiving a two party communication when you aren't either of the two parties. The connection between my router and my internet appliance is a two party communication, on a non public service, non broadcast, non amateur frequency and therefore I am afforded the protection of ECPA and other wiretap statutes against the megalomaniacal Google. unless it is set up to public access. -- standard disclaimers apply. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ 1 edit | said by AVD:said by DavePR:You can listen radio and TV stations. You can monitor Ham radio operators. You can print out NOAA weather maps. You can listen to planes in the air ans ships at sea. You can listen to public servants such as Police, Fire, USCG, etc. (except encrypted). If you listen to an FM station's SCA without permission you have broken the law. If you listen to that station's Studio Transmitter Link on 948 MHz you have broken the law. If you listen to you neighbor's baby monitor on a scanner you have broken the law. Interception means receiving a two party communication when you aren't either of the two parties. The connection between my router and my internet appliance is a two party communication, on a non public service, non broadcast, non amateur frequency and therefore I am afforded the protection of ECPA and other wiretap statutes against the megalomaniacal Google. unless it is set up to public access. the general public can access an open router with any laptop and wifi card. -- standard disclaimers apply. |
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 DavePR join:2008-06-04 Canyon Country, CA | Why did Apple drop the wardriving app? |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ 1 edit | said by DavePR:Why did Apple drop the wardriving app? why did apple drop the nudie picture apps?
or the google apps or the skype apps? -- standard disclaimers apply. |
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