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| ??? No it isnt using a cell tower, but what do you think the microcell connects to at the other end? Equipment that costs nothing to run and maintain? Geesh.
You also never make mention in these stories that these are not being marketed (at least from what I can see) to users with usable signal in there home. If you have quality service from AT&T in your home then there is no reason to get one.
I have had Sprints version of this for several years, and as a person who actually needed one, it is a great device, and I can see value in it....for someone who has good service in there home don't bother. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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1 edit | No it isnt using a cell tower, but what do you think the microcell connects to at the other end? Equipment that costs nothing to run and maintain? These are users already paying for a monthly wireless voice and 3G connection, a home broadband connection, possibly an additional home landline connection, and shelling out the upfront cost for the device itself (plus a monthly fee of about $20 if they want unlimited voice).
Just how much do people think routing minor voice traffic over AT&T's core network costs? It's certainly not in line with 200MB and 2GB caps and $10-$15 per GB overages, plus all these other costs. Again, the caps should not apply to Microcell traffic. |
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| said by Karl Bode:and shelling out the upfront cost for the device itself (plus a monthly fee of about $20 if they want unlimited voice). The tone in your stories every time these devices come up is that users are going to be pushed to them. They aren't.
For someone who has good cell service in there home from the provider they use, they are not even going to bother with one. Why would they???
I am glad for you and the many others who have great cell service in your home and can snub your nose at these devices, and I do not expect you to see the value in them.
When I got Sprints Airave device I went from having to run across the house to send a text message to being able to be anywhere in the house and talk and text all i want and also receive e-mail...essentially use my cell phone like a cell phone.
I did get the device for free, but I do pay $4.99 a month to use it...I suppose that's what makes me see these in such a positive light. The more than fair price.
I despise AT&T personally, and i can not say I am surprised at what they did for pricing with these things (their history should have been an indication of what they would do).
Sprints new 3G version of there Airave should be coming out soon which will also supposedly have a telephone jack on the back of it. I am reallyh oping they allow a household telephone to be plugged into it and used as that would be further enhancing the ability of these things. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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1 edit | I am glad for you and the many others who have great cell service in your home and can snub your nose at these devices... Hmm.
One, my in-home cell coverage with AT&T is generally shit.
Two, I'm not "snubbing my nose" at these devices, as-so-much as I'm suggesting that pricing for them is somewhat predatory and unreasonable in the face of the fact that most of the cost is already being carried by the end user. |
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1 edit | We should all be happy to pay more for the privilege of using their service. /sarcasm
Its completely predatory, the customer already pays top $$ for service and then when they cannot provide adequate service they attempt to further fleece the customer in order for the honor of sending them X dollars a month.
This is what I told Verizon when they wanted to charge me $249 for one and then I told them I will be porting my number to another service. After a 20 minute conversation with a nice guy at VZW (from what I assume was the retention dept) , I talked him down to $50 and there's no monthly charge for using it with VZW. |
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| said by margaf77:We should all be happy to pay more for the privilege of using their service. /sarcasm Its completely predatory... You had a respectable opinion until it completely fell apart when you admitted you bought one. I guess everyone has a price huh?  -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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| How does the fact that I bought one change anything? I did what I needed to do to maintain a phone without having to get a land line.
I paid 1/5 of what they wanted to victimize me for, $50 vs $249. I did the math and buying new phones (actually 1 since the wife uses a cheap free model) for our family plan would have been more costly. If I had to pay any monthly fee for the use I would've went to another company instantly.
It still left a bad taste in my mouth and if ATT didn't suck in the New York metro area I probably would've jumped ship anyway. I went with whatever cost me less in the long term. They should provide it free of charge to customers if they allow you to sign up for service in an area that has crap reception. They know where they have trouble areas and if they're willing to sign you up when your in one of them they should offer it as part of the service. |
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 Skwhirl join:2009-08-13 Knoxville, TN 1 edit | reply to swintec said by swintec:You also never make mention in these stories that these are not being marketed (at least from what I can see) to users with usable signal in there home. If you have quality service from AT&T in your home then there is no reason to get one. How many people have heard of a "Cellular Repeater" aka "Booster" raise your hands?
If you haven't, Google it. These devices use the cellular network already in place, but repeat a stronger signal into your home from a place (like a window) that has good reception. Granted, there are a handful of places that can't even get a decent signal at any point to boost, but this is rare.
It's completely transparent and doesn't use any of your valuable broadband internet connection. In that case, AT&T is justified in charging you for caps.
Their argument on capping due to congestion is only valid when discussing tower capacity.
As someone pointed out, these devices could easily be built and programmed to act as a gateway and send all internet requests directly over your internet connection. However, I believe most layers in 3G are encrypted all the way up to the point of presence (At AT&T), so the box has no way of actually handling the data in that manner. A simple revision in the 3G protocol should remedy that, but it would only benefit the customer, so dont count on them doing it like that any time soon. |
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| said by Skwhirl:How many people have heard of a "Cellular Repeater" aka "Booster" raise your hands? Yes, they are in some cases expensive, sometimes large, and many may nt want to get on there roof and such to install and maintain it....When they can simply plug a Femtocell into there router. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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| reply to swintec said by swintec:No it isnt using a cell tower, but what do you think the microcell connects to at the other end? your internet connection that you are paying for (trolling remark goes here) you must double pay for everything?
you pay for 3g data over your own internet that is what the whole thing is about!
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 | reply to margaf77 said by margaf77:Its completely predatory, the customer already pays top $$ for service and then when they cannot provide adequate service they attempt to further fleece the customer in order for the honor of sending them X dollars a month. Believe or not, you're not forced at gunpoint to signup to a network that doesn't provide adequate coverage. If you choose to live somewhere that has poor coverage and you choose to get a phone anyway, that's your problem. They are providing you with a way to fix it. If they want to give it to you for free, good for them, but I don't see why it should be compulsory. |
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 | reply to margaf77 I am missing the pic of the verizon person with the gun to your head telling you, you have to buy this... Till I see it I say balderdash!! |
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| said by notwrth10:I am missing the pic of the verizon person with the gun to your head telling you, you have to buy this... Till I see it I say balderdash!! While technically true, totally wimpy all the same. |
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| reply to oh_really I already give them a nice chunk of money every month and if they wanted to keep my business and continue receiving a check from me every month then they better provide it or they can pound salt. And charging someone for one when it uses the customers internet and takes the burden off their equipment is ludicrous. I wasnt willing to pay more to use their service and then burden MY equipment (internet, router spot, etc) to extend their network.
I dont live in the sticks, I live 10 mins from Manhattan, and when I moved here I found there was dead spot and called up and when they wanted to hit me for $249 told them they could kiss my ass for that...after asking and getting the OK to kill the contract. I gave it a couple of days to think about what I wanted to do and who I was going to port my lines to.
They called me back and began a negotiation which I told the guy I wasnt willing to pay a thing for it. We went back and forth and he finally asked me what I was realistically willing to pay I told him $50 not a penny more and BAM I got it.
Having a customer pay a monthly fee and pay for equipment for the privilege of being a customer and paying already high fees is complete bullshit, plain and simple. The only reason I went for the $50 is the cost of a decent phone on another provider would've been much more. |
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| reply to notwrth10 said by notwrth10:I am missing the pic of the verizon person with the gun to your head telling you, you have to buy this... Till I see it I say balderdash!! Use your head for something aside from a hat rack next time. Its not a gun, its a contract with ridiculous ETF fees. |
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| reply to margaf77 said by margaf77:And charging someone for one when it uses the customers internet and takes the burden off their equipment is ludicrous.I wasnt willing to pay more to use their service and then burden MY equipment (internet, router spot, etc) to extend their network. when I moved here I found there was dead spot and called up and when they wanted to hit me for $249 told them they could kiss my ass for that Weird. Just much burden were you putting on there equipment when you were in a dead zone? You said several times you have trouble getting service at all.
Just how much of a "burden" do you think these little devices and there piddly streams of voice traffic put on your internet connection and router?
Look, I realize that the whole "oh my god they want to route my cell traffic over my internet connection that I pay for?!" attitude is a popular one to take around here, but if you want to play the penny pincher attitude, think of it this way....your internet connection ends up costing you MORE each month unless it is being utilized 24/7 you do realize that right? Let it sit at any less than its full potential means the value that you receive is less and less. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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| Your argument is plain silly, I pay to be able to use the service anywhere I go, I didnt have the "Can you hear me now?" guy here, I had a bum with a tin can and a string. I wasnt in a dead zone when I signed my contract, it became an issue when I moved to the godforsaken shithole that is Bayonne, NJ.
Im fully aware of the small amount of traffic it generates but it is using a connection I pay for but when I am downloading large files I have to leave a small amount of bandwidth reserved for the extender using QOS, or my cell call is broken up which of course I dont change back so its just "lost" bandwidth.
I see you just want to argue a silly point endlessly. Ill leave it at this I, as well as a majority people here, see this as a scummy practice. I wouldve quicker jumped ship and bought new phones before I gave them a completely unreasonable $249 for the network extender. |
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| said by margaf77:godforsaken shithole that is Bayonne, NJ. which of course I dont change back so its just "lost" bandwidth. Off topic but I guess I could agree with that. 
said by margaf77:which of course I dont change back so its just "lost" bandwidth. Then you either did not configure it right, or your router does not handle true QoS correctly. QoS policies should only be instituted when bandwidth becomes limited for whatever reason.
I am uploading full bore right now but if I start a phone call my router will slice out the needed bandwidth and devote it to the phone adapters. Once I hang up, the router will give the bandwidth back to the stuff I am uploading.
said by margaf77: I pay to be able to use the service anywhere I go If you truly believe that is what you signed up for and should realistically get, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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 dddane join:2002-01-10 Chicago, IL | reply to swintec said by swintec:You also never make mention in these stories that these are not being marketed (at least from what I can see) to users with usable signal in there home. If you have quality service from AT&T in your home then there is no reason to get one. I'm guessing that's because you live in a rural area that gets a weak signal.
You're looking at it from the rural perspective--that you chose to live in a rural area, and with that comes either sacrifices or higher costs.
The problem I have with paying $150 for this device is I live in Chicago, and it's not that we have weak signal, the signal is fine ... it's that their network has so much traffic operating on it that the voice and data network is tripping over itself and it becomes unusable to everyone. This is AT&T's fault. Their network used to be great. Now thanks to the 3g Iphone traffic, it's not. The only solution to this problem is either less devices talking to one tower, or more towers operating with less range. More towers is a slow and very expensive process. Giving out femtocells accomplishes lowering the traffic without having to do any of this. In this example of urban congestion, AT&T should be bending over to give these out to customers for free, it fixes a real problem that their network is becoming known for. If anything, they should at least be offering it in a pricing similar to a cable modem.
Also, the $150 seems to have a bit of a "convenience" factor attached to it. I doubt it really costs $150, or even $100, to manufacture. In the first example of a rural customer I can see the price working. In the second example of urban congestion, again I can't. |
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| said by dddane:said by swintec:You also never make mention in these stories that these are not being marketed (at least from what I can see) to users with usable signal in there home. If you have quality service from AT&T in your home then there is no reason to get one. I'm guessing that's because you live in a rural area that gets a weak signal. You're looking at it from the rural perspective--that you chose to live in a rural area, and with that comes either sacrifices or higher costs. Actually if I go outside I have usable Sprint service. Inside not so good, well, not good enough to sustain reliable cell operation.
Every cell company places in there TOS that they are not responsible for signal quality indoors, how could they be? So I can not fault Sprint in this case.
In your case that you said above, there is no reason for you to get one of these, let alone still be subscribed to AT&T. Personally I would be gone from them if I was in your shoes. -- Usenet Block Accounts | Unlimited Accounts |
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