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tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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Stewartstown, PA
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Non-Armstrong DVR

The wife is bugging me to go back to DirecTV, she can't stand the Armstrong DVR, I don't like it much either. But at almost half the cost of DTV, I'd like to try to make things work better. I've looked around and found some TIVO boxes that sound pretty good. Some have features beyond anything DTV has, but I'm not crazy about the high TIVO monthly fee. I'm not worried about not being able to get VOD, but will it work with all the other channels? I don't get premium movies or sports. Any suggestions or comments for a DVR?
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sefs

join:2010-07-01
Gibsonia, PA
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Windows 7 Media Center offers a great solution if you're looking for more functionality. You can have one Windows 7 machine serve network connected Xbox 360's and see all your recorded content across the network, and you can stream live tv from your tuners. You can get a cable card from Armstrong to receive HD and digital channels. This is really considered the ultimate DVR (imho).


jimbo2150

join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH

said by sefs:

Windows 7 Media Center offers a great solution if you're looking for more functionality. You can have one Windows 7 machine serve network connected Xbox 360's and see all your recorded content across the network, and you can stream live tv from your tuners. You can get a cable card from Armstrong to receive HD and digital channels. This is really considered the ultimate DVR (imho).
Not sure about the cable card, have heard of some calling to get one and they said they don't supply them. Not all areas may have them available.

Also, when it comes to W7 media center... where would you use a cable card? All you could do would be to get basic cable. I've even tried an ATSC HD tuner and you only get the local channels in HD and a *FEW* of the extended basic channels beyond the basic channels.
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sefs

join:2010-07-01
Gibsonia, PA
Reviews:
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said by jimbo2150:

said by sefs:

Windows 7 Media Center offers a great solution if you're looking for more functionality. You can have one Windows 7 machine serve network connected Xbox 360's and see all your recorded content across the network, and you can stream live tv from your tuners. You can get a cable card from Armstrong to receive HD and digital channels. This is really considered the ultimate DVR (imho).
Not sure about the cable card, have heard of some calling to get one and they said they don't supply them. Not all areas may have them available.

Also, when it comes to W7 media center... where would you use a cable card? All you could do would be to get basic cable. I've even tried an ATSC HD tuner and you only get the local channels in HD and a *FEW* of the extended basic channels beyond the basic channels.
You need a cable card compliant tuner. Here is a link to the Ceton tuner (»www.cetoncorp.com/products.php). It takes a single M-stream card and gives you 4 separate tuners; being able to tune everything except for VOD. I am not sure as to the full availability of cable cards in Armstrong's network, but I know for a fact in the Zelienople, PA district, they are available for $8 a month.


tim_k
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Not bad, but $400 for the card, I'd have to build another computer, and I'd have to sit it next to the TV to run HDMI.


wolrah

join:2005-12-29
Medina, OH
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reply to tim_k
If you care about digital/HD channels beyond the locals, you need CableCard support. On the provider side this is easy, all decent sized providers including Armstrong have been mandated to offer them by the FCC for years, so you shouldn't have any problem requesting one.

The second part of the equation is a CableCard-compatible DVR. There are three major options:

1. TiVo
The Series3, TiVoHD, and Premier boxes are all CableCard compatible.

The S3 is out of production and AFAIK hasn't even shown up on TiVo's refurb page for quite some time, so this would likely be a used-only purchase. It does have a display on the front which shows the currently tuned programs, where the HD and Premier just have LED indicators for recording.

The HD is also out of production but went out more recently, so you can still regularly find it on TiVo's refurb site for fairly cheap. It is basically a simplified Series3 and gains support for M-Card CableCards, allowing one card to operate both tuners. This saves $5/mo on cablecard rentals if you can get an M-Card out of them.

The Premier is the new model, it has a faster CPU and a new user interface, but is otherwise similar. It is exclusively single-card, so if you can't get an M-Card you only get one tuner rather than two.

If the monthly fee is a concern, look for used models with lifetime subscriptions.

2. Windows Media Center

Vista gained the ability to support CableCard, but only in OEM installations with a special key. That has since been hacked away, but it's still a pain to deal with if you didn't buy a machine with a CableCard tuner installed.

Windows 7 unlocks this feature, so anyone can buy a CableCard compatible tuner and add it in. There are currently two in existance, but neither are on the market. The ATI OCUR was the old tuner used in Vista OEM machines, and is available in both internal and external versions. Both use USB for connectivity and are the same hardware. The Ceton tuner linked above is not yet on sale.

A Windows machine has no monthly fee, but since no tuners are currently in production you'll have to go hunting for used or leftover stock ATI OCURs, which are also single tuner devices. Windows can support up to four of any one type of tuner by default, larger installs require an OEM-only enhancement pack.

3. Moxi

I don't know much about Moxi other than that they're the third CableCard option and the reviews are pretty decent. Google is your friend here.

Basically at the moment it sucks to be a DVR fan. The cable company DVRs are universally terrible, TiVo is expensive and underperforms, homebrew PC DVRs are hard to find parts for, and the only remaining option is a relatively unknown entity.

Of course, if digital cable is something you can do without, there are a number of analog cable and digital OTA tuners which you can throw in a PC running Windows XP MCE, Vista (Premium and Ultimate only), or 7 (all above the basic version) and watch all the unencrypted TV you have. Some tuners even offer clear QAM support which may pull a few HD channels off the cable line depending on your local node's configuration.



tim_k
Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey
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So you're saying that the Ceton tuner mentioned above won't get me all the digital and HD channels Armstrong provides? I don't get premium movie or sports channels.


wolrah

join:2005-12-29
Medina, OH
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The Ceton tuner will, but it's not out at the moment. It was supposed to ship months ago but was delayed due to a part shortage.

Once it comes out it will give full CableCard functionality, meaning all non-VOD channels and support for SDV where cable providers offer tuning adapters.


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