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birdfeedr
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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reply to 88615298

Re: This is actually really interesting

There are still a few places in RI where some form of broadband is not readily available. FiOS isn't everywhere, DSL coverage is limited by distance, but cable goes most places. Granted, we don't have ubiquitous 100Mbps, but it's safe to say most people in RI can get broadband. Not counting satellite as broadband.



elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to Vamp9190

said by Vamp9190:

*Sigh*

I always loved Finland. Reindeer, cross-country skiing, fjords, hot blondes in snowshoes, all that.

I wonder how much a flat in Helsinki costs....
let me know ill go half with you


NeelyCam

@intel.com

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reply to baineschile

Plenty of blonds in all Nordic countries.

Good luck finding fjords in Finland, though.



tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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reply to FFH

said by FFH:

said by RockCake:

said by Vamp9190:

*Sigh*
I always loved Finland. Reindeer, cross-country skiing, fjords, hot blondes in snowshoes, all that.
I wonder how much a flat in Helsinki costs....
Hot tubs, don't forget hot tubs!
And don't forget higher suicide rates due to all those dark winter days.
AND really don't forget the 49% tax burden!
Of course with you working 2 or more jobs to pay for the 350 Sq ft studio apt. and putting a decent meal on the table every week or 2, you'll hardly have time for the internet stuff, IF you can afford the "reasonable price" (this is only right of access, not free) after you pay your heating bill.


tshirt
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reply to birdfeedr

said by birdfeedr:

There are still a few places in RI where some form of broadband is not readily available. FiOS isn't everywhere, DSL coverage is limited by distance, but cable goes most places. Granted, we don't have ubiquitous 100Mbps, but it's safe to say most people in RI can get broadband. Not counting satellite as broadband.

Why not? it meets the 1Mbps download requirement.

amigo_boy

join:2005-07-22

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reply to tshirt

said by tshirt:

AND really don't forget the 49% tax burden!
My source says the average real tax in Finland is 46%. And, they have an extremely low level of wealth disparity compared to the US, whose real tax averages 40%.

The Gini-index part is interesting. The US has more in common with Mexico and China in terms of wealth disparity, which are both near 45. Canada is with all the other WASPie nations like Finland, Belgium, Germany.

And just a 6% real tax difference? Seems like we're getting shortchanged.


birdfeedr
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join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
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reply to tshirt

said by tshirt:

said by birdfeedr:

Not counting satellite as broadband.

Why not? it meets the 1Mbps download requirement.
Broadband definition is very loose with no real consensus in industry or government as to what is or isn't broadband. It's still a moving target depending on who's talking.

Cost and technical limitations put satellite internet into the category of last ditch methods. There's a reason it isn't more widely adopted.

That said, a friend of mine on Block Island can't get any of the more common providers, and it appears his only option is satellite. Too far for DSL, his house has bad cell phone reception, and the Block Island cable company relinquished its license to operate (a couple of years ago I think), and I don't think they ever expanded beyond 40 channels of SD or into HSI.

Not counting satellite as broadband is a subjective opinion mostly based on the least feasible method I'd use.

So I should modify my statement. It's safe to say most people in RI can get non-satellite broadband.


tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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I was speaking of finland, where the population in the northern 40 % is under 7 per Sq mi.
This law only guaruntees 1 Mbps ACCESS/availability by 2015, doesn't say it needs to be low latentcy or cheap. (if you live 50 klicks for "1000 miles from nowhere" (Northing finland qualifies) AND you insist on your right of access, then satellites costs /latentcies/ and outages are reasonable. )



NeelyCam

@intel.com
reply to amigo_boy

Yep.

USA is only better for high-income individuals; for anyone with average-or-below, nordic socialist nations are a far better choice.



tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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reply to amigo_boy

The EU counsel puts Finland at TOTAL taxation 48.8% of GDP, and the comparitive measure for the US around 29.6 (2009 numbers for both) A long way apart.
However if you think you'll be better off there, feel free to move.


amigo_boy

join:2005-07-22

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said by tshirt:

The EU counsel puts Finland at TOTAL taxation 48.8% of GDP, and the comparitive measure for the US around 29.6 (2009 numbers for both) A long way apart.
I thought you were talking about what an individual would pay.

I think everyone knows we pay a lot more than 29.6% tax when income, sales, property and sin taxes are added together. It's only by adding corporate and capital gains taxes (with all the loopholes) that it goes back down to 29.6%.

Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to baineschile

said by baineschile:

You havent addressed the most important questions I allured to though. Do you have a choice when it comes to electricity, gas, or water?
Many PA residents now have a choice in electricity and natural gas suppliers (but not the owner of the utility wires or gas lines) and there is always bottled water.


M A R S
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join:2001-06-15
Long Island
kudos:1
reply to amigo_boy

said by amigo_boy:

said by tshirt:

The EU counsel puts Finland at TOTAL taxation 48.8% of GDP, and the comparitive measure for the US around 29.6 (2009 numbers for both) A long way apart.
I thought you were talking about what an individual would pay.

I think everyone knows we pay a lot more than 29.6% tax when income, sales, property and sin taxes are added together. It's only by adding corporate and capital gains taxes (with all the loopholes) that it goes back down to 29.6%.
interesting, does any one have a link to what some like me on Long Island pays? I bet in the end its much more than 29.6%
--
Democrats Have Guns Too..

amigo_boy

join:2005-07-22

said by M A R S:

does any one have a link to what some like me on Long Island pays? I bet in the end its much more than 29.6%
I haven't seen anything broken down by state.

It's difficult to measure, and especially apply cross-culturally. For example, earlier in this thread "pnh" pointed out how ISPs pay a tax to cities for their use of easements and rights of way. That tax is passed on to the ISPs' customers.

So, if a country like Finland doesn't do that (instead paying for the administration of easements from the general fund), their tax rate looks higher than ours.

Same with healthcare. You pay for your private insurance premiums through a paycheck deduction (and co-pay at time of visit, and deductables each year). If a country like Finland has single-payer healthcare insurance coming out of the general fund, you can't really compare their total (real) tax rate without considering what we pay which isn't a precisely a tax.

It's not as clear as it might seem.


Ebolla

join:2005-09-28
Dracut, MA
reply to zitch

primary carrier in an area but power/gas being charged by a second company. My electrical bill does NOT go to the provider in the area, so yes this is possible without having tons of lines going everywhere.



NeelyCam

@comcast.net
reply to tshirt

Where did I say I think I would be better off?
Reading comprehension...?