 hello123454Delaware FIOSPremium
join:2002-02-02
Wilmington, DE
kudos:1 | Interesting 100 Mbps service by 2015 is pretty impressive. I mean it's comparing apples to oranges looking at what the US has and this smaller country..but look at what West Virginia is supposed to get out of the Verizon deal by 2015...
I have FiOS and i'm sure it will be a lot faster in 5 years but it definitely won't be a 'right' to have it. |
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Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | said by hello123454:100 Mbps service by 2015 is pretty impressive. I mean it's comparing apples to oranges looking at what the US has and this smaller country..but look at what West Virginia is supposed to get out of the Verizon deal by 2015... I have FiOS and i'm sure it will be a lot faster in 5 years but it definitely won't be a 'right' to have it. Nor should it be a right.
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| said by Linklist:said by hello123454:100 Mbps service by 2015 is pretty impressive. I mean it's comparing apples to oranges looking at what the US has and this smaller country..but look at what West Virginia is supposed to get out of the Verizon deal by 2015... I have FiOS and i'm sure it will be a lot faster in 5 years but it definitely won't be a 'right' to have it. Nor should it be a right. Yes it should. Corporations don't have a right to drain money from their consumers while providing service worse than Estonian citizens receive. |
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openbox9Premium
join:2004-01-26
japan
kudos:2 | Luckily, you have the right not to pay corporations for those services  |
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| said by openbox9:Luckily, you have the right not to pay corporations for those services Yours is a worthless bottom of the barrel argument. Why make anything a requirement? You don't actually need AC or heating, zoning laws, food quality standards. You have a right to research everything on your own before making a decision. Why have consumer protections at all?
No, corporations don't have the right to take your money while providing bare minimum service in return. They only exist because in a competitive market innovation flows freely. There is little to no innovation to be had in providing infrastructure.
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hello123454Delaware FIOSPremium
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Wilmington, DE
kudos:1 | reply to Linklist
I never said it should be a right...it was actully just, you know, an opinion that i don't think it will be a right. |
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USA
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said by sonicmerlin:said by Linklist:said by hello123454:100 Mbps service by 2015 is pretty impressive. I mean it's comparing apples to oranges looking at what the US has and this smaller country..but look at what West Virginia is supposed to get out of the Verizon deal by 2015... I have FiOS and i'm sure it will be a lot faster in 5 years but it definitely won't be a 'right' to have it. Nor should it be a right. Yes it should. Corporations don't have a right to drain money from their consumers while providing service worse than Estonian citizens receive. Corporations have a right to drain as much money as they want from the customers that stick to them...
They just don't have a right to no competition. Which is the problem atm. They have no real competition so you are stuck paying their ridiculous prices and using their crappy service. |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to sonicmerlin
So based on your argument, everything should be run by the government?
I have to agree with the previous poster. If someone don't like the type of service he receives from a business or said service does not meet his needs and yet continues to buy it anyway then that person is a complete and total fool, and deserves to be separated from his money.
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| said by pnh102:If someone don't like the type of service he receives from a business or said service does not meet his needs and yet continues to buy it anyway then that person is a complete and total fool, and deserves to be separated from his money. That's a stupid argument as far as US broadband goes. The only option you have to "leave" is to ditch internet/phone/tv service altogether, which is more unreasonable than paying the price. There are no other options to run to. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by DrModem:That's a stupid argument as far as US broadband goes. The only option you have to "leave" is to ditch internet/phone/tv service altogether, which is more unreasonable than paying the price. There are no other options to run to. And if you continue to reward companies with your business while they provide you with something that doesn't meet your needs, then where is their incentive to improve?
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openbox9Premium
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japan
kudos:2 | reply to sonicmerlin
You're very quick to dismiss "worthless arguments" today. said by sonicmerlin:You have a right to research everything on your own before making a decision. Why have consumer protections at all? Now you're talking. Way to take something out of context to attempt to strengthen your viewpoint  said by sonicmerlin:No, corporations don't have the right to take your money while providing bare minimum service in return. They only exist because in a competitive market innovation flows freely. No, corporations exist to provide a product or service that someone is willing to take in exchange for a good or service or some sort of compensation. And to make money for its shareholders said by sonicmerlin:Your endless defense of corporations is completely illogical. How so? Because I don't always agree with your opinion? Because I don't automatically assume corporations are the devil? Because I believe for profit corporations can be more efficient than governments? Because I'm a satisfied customer of corporations that I do business with? |
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said by pnh102:said by DrModem:That's a stupid argument as far as US broadband goes. The only option you have to "leave" is to ditch internet/phone/tv service altogether, which is more unreasonable than paying the price. There are no other options to run to. And if you continue to reward companies with your business while they provide you with something that doesn't meet your needs, then where is their incentive to improve? Perhaps you need the connection for some reason and there are no other provider options, or the options that are there are pretty much the same as what you are currently on.
What are you supposed to do then? Go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt to move somewhere that you can get a different broadband provider?
No, you are stuck.
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LinklistPremium
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Longport, NJ
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said by DrModem:said by pnh102:If someone don't like the type of service he receives from a business or said service does not meet his needs and yet continues to buy it anyway then that person is a complete and total fool, and deserves to be separated from his money. That's a stupid argument as far as US broadband goes. The only option you have to "leave" is to ditch internet/phone/tv service altogether, which is more unreasonable than paying the price. There are no other options to run to. You are lumping in phone & TV service with broadband as if you reject broadband you have no other choices for phone & TV. That isn't true - re sat TV, OTA TV, landline phone, cell phone, etc.
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said by sonicmerlin:said by Linklist:said by hello123454:100 Mbps service by 2015 is pretty impressive. I mean it's comparing apples to oranges looking at what the US has and this smaller country..but look at what West Virginia is supposed to get out of the Verizon deal by 2015... I have FiOS and i'm sure it will be a lot faster in 5 years but it definitely won't be a 'right' to have it. Nor should it be a right. Yes it should. Corporations don't have a right to drain money from their consumers while providing service worse than Estonian citizens receive. Wait now your talking about the new government taxes, on health care, cap and tax, etc etc. I think your confused.
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said by Linklist:You are lumping in phone & TV service with broadband as if you reject broadband you have no other choices for phone & TV. That isn't true - re sat TV, OTA TV, landline phone, cell phone, etc. I never said that. The pricing schemes on all 3 are generally regarded as ridiculous, and the service(except for maybe landline phone service) is generally regarded as crappy. And for TV I was referring to cable.
That's why I have them in a group. |
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kudos:5 | said by DrModem:said by Linklist:You are lumping in phone & TV service with broadband as if you reject broadband you have no other choices for phone & TV. That isn't true - re sat TV, OTA TV, landline phone, cell phone, etc. I never said that. The pricing schemes on all 3 are generally regarded as ridiculous, and the service(except for maybe landline phone service) is generally regarded as crappy. And for TV I was referring to cable. That's why I have them in a group. That is EXACTLY what you said{only option you have to "leave" is to ditch internet/phone/tv service altogether}, but maybe not what you meant.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to DrModem
said by DrModem:Perhaps you need the connection for some reason and there are no other provider options, or the options that are there are pretty much the same as what you are currently on. And if the connection satisfying that reason then how can you claim it "sucks?"
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DrModemPremium
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Yea |
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said by pnh102:said by DrModem:Perhaps you need the connection for some reason and there are no other provider options, or the options that are there are pretty much the same as what you are currently on. And if the connection satisfying that reason then how can you claim it "sucks?" Where did I say it was satisfying any reasons?
You can use 28k dialup for the same stuff that you can use 25mb cable for, but whether one is feasible or not is a different matter. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by DrModem:You can use 28k dialup for the same stuff that you can use 25mb cable for, but whether one is feasible or not is a different matter. Maybe you could, I know I couldn't. I would definitely not be paying for 28k dialup if that was the only option.
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