watice
join:2008-11-01
New York, NY | reply to nlk10010
Re: Appalling Picture Quality I don't know if it's skin disease, but Morgan Freeman definetly has those little black spots on his skin. See »scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/E···an-4.jpg
maybe it IS a sharper image! |
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2 edits | reply to Pericles
said by Pericles :
This is strange because I'm having the same issue. I just recently moved into a new house. My old house had uverse and the PQ was blu-ray quality. I ordered fios because it was either that or Direct tv... I was told fios was better. After having it set up I can say I'm having THE SAME issue that you are having. Colors seemed somewhat washed out, general smoothness to the picture and tons of NOISE. I'm running mine straight to a pioneer elite KURO monitor. A tech came out and said well, thats how Fios looks thats as good as it gets. Now I'm SOL because I have no clue what to do? I'm afraid If I try out direct tv it will be worse!
U-verse has the absolute worst HD picture quality of all the TV providers out there, and I doubt you've actually seen anything on Blu-ray, because it's about 10x sharper. You must have assumed that the HD-lite picture that U-verse provided was "true HD", and changing to a sharper picture source (FiOS) was a bit of a shock to your eyes, similar to the whole 120Hz motion smoothing debate. Wow, I sound like a salesman...
That noise you're seeing is the result of passing along a full-bitrate HD picture. You see all the details on the screen regardless of whether it's distracting or not. |
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| I find your post somewhat insulting but I expect no less from people on the internet. I have a Reference Kuro along with a Reference BD player and can assure I can tell a HUGE difference. I have even had people over who have direct tv and people who have Uverse telling me their PQ is better and they can see the noise. No this isnt a shock to my eyes, I know what I see and its not fantastical picture quality. Own all of the above and then come back with lucrative comments. thanks |
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| Maybe something with wrong with your set up or Verizon's equipment, everyones eyes are different. Kuro are diffently nice I own three of them and they all look great with FiOS |
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| If tried 3 differnet HDMI cables and have not seen a difference. LIke a I said a tech came out and said, "thats how it's supposed to took." Even during soccer matches with fast motion aka a long pass or a shot the screen gets extremely chunky, similar to if you were streaming a movie on your computer and the bitrate was low... |
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1 edit | reply to Pericles
You can say what you want about how great U-verse is and how awful the FiOS picture quality is on your "reference Kuro", but I have looked at 4 different U-verse forums and the general consensus in each is that it is bit-starved HD lite. U-verse uses MPEG-4 bitrates in the 5-6 Mbps range, which is just a tad better than YouTube, which compresses down to about 4-5 Mbps. FiOS passes on the signal straight from the channel provider, with MPEG-2 compression averaging about 15-19 Mbps.
It's either your eyes or your setup. FiOS is not the source of the problem. |
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shark2k
join:2008-06-01
West Orange, NJ | said by runzero:You can say what you want about how great U-verse is and how awful the FiOS picture quality is on your "reference Kuro", but I have looked at 4 different U-verse forums and the general consensus in each is that it is bit-starved HD lite. U-verse uses MPEG-4 bitrates in the 5-6 Mbps range, which is just a tad better than YouTube, which compresses down to about 4-5 Mbps. FiOS passes on the signal straight from the channel provider, with MPEG-2 compression averaging about 15-19 Mbps. It's either your eyes or your setup. FiOS is not the source of the problem. I've never seen U-Verse so I cannot comment on picture quality. I can comment on the codec used for compression though. MPEG-4 compression is a lot more efficient than MPEG-2 so the bitrates can be a lot less and the picture quality can look exactly the same. Now at the bitrate U-Verse is using it might be a little less than it should. From my quick research MPEG-4 can be about half the MPEG-2 bitrates so 7-10 Mbps. But the codec U-Verse uses is not the problem, it is the bitrate.
Also, just so you know there are a few channels (HBO is one) that actually uses MPEG-4. Just wanted to let you know so you didn't have inaccurate info on MPEG-4 (not sure if you did, all I'm going on is what you wrote).
-Shark2k |
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| I do understand the relationship between codecs and bitrates, seeing as I encode a few videos myself. But again the problem is that U-verse starves the bitrate for its HD feeds down to 6 Mbps, and recently I've seen posts saying that AT&T has actually further compressed it down to 4-5 Mbps per HD stream and using "more efficient encoders" as an excuse.
I'd actually prefer if all channel providers would switch to MPEG-4 AVC at the same bitrate they're using right now for MPEG-2 compression. The picture would start to even rival lower-quality Blu-ray!  |
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hubrisnxs
join:2009-12-30
Fountain Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to nlk10010
my mother in law has uverse. its not that hot.
I have directv in one location and fios in another, and those two are comperable but fios beats it out by a hair.
you can tell it's better, but the directv picture still looks damn sharp. better than TWC or comcast or cox (all of which I have had) and better than u-verse which I am forced to watch every time my wife wants to hang out with the moms. |
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hubrisnxs
join:2009-12-30
Fountain Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to nlk10010
also try switching your boxes to only display 720p only. the 1080i can get a little macro blocky on some fast action movies and sports like soccer. 720p is a noticeably better on things like that. all my boxes are set to 720p for hd and 480p for SD. until my wife changes it because she'd rather have it full scren then with the pillars.
:P she'll sacrifice quality but damnit I won't! |
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hubrisnxs
join:2009-12-30
Fountain Valley, CA
kudos:1 | have you looked at the pic quality settings on your tv? sharpness? played with it at all. does it make any difference? |
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