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No Fear

New Jersey
reply to sonicmerlin

Re: i dont understand

said by sonicmerlin:

said by Z80A:

The gov't doesn't pay for anything. Taxpayers do and when the taxpayers run out of money the government borrows using the credit of the taxpayers, the taxpayers' children, and their childrens' children.

If rural folks want non-satellite broadband they can borrow on THEIR credit like idiot Kaul-EE-Four-Nyans do with every bloated bond measure out here (that and bloated union pensions are why we are bankrupt). Have a county put it on a ballot, and lets local vote on borrowing the money and those locals pay it back over time.
This is going to shock you, so I think you should sit down for this. Here goes: the taxpayers elect the government. I know, I know. Breathe deeply.

Here's another shocker. Infrastructure pays for itself in the long run. How do you think cable companies could afford to run cable lines to millions of people across the US?
Is that why the current administration, has the lowest rating ever. Could you use that excuse for the Bush years ?
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Cleveland, OH

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So obviously a government official should pander to the whims of the masses, rather than going through with the promises he made during his campaign.

I think the real irony is that rural taxpayers generally elect politicians who pander to the richest, lowering their taxes while increases taxes on the poor and middle class. They shoot themselves in the foot.


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The problem the socialists don't see is the bottom 50% of income earners pay 2.89% of all the the income taxes down from 4% in 1999. The 'poor' don't pay their fair share even if you look by percentage of total income earned. »www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-···xes.html And throughout the 2000's the tax burden on high income earners increased while those in the bottom 50% decreased.

For example, in 2007 the top 10% earned 48% of all income but paid over 70% of all the income taxes...nearly 1.5X their fair share. The bottom 50% earned 13% of all income but paid less than 4% of all income taxes, less than 1/3 of their fair share.

So sonic is actually wrong for the most part. Only 1/2 the taxpayers pay nearly ALL of the taxes. The other 1/2 pay zero or virtually zero Federal income taxes. And too frequently they are on the gov't dole so their vote is purchased by what gov't (and other taxpayers) give them.
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said by Z80A:

The problem the socialists don't see is the bottom 50% pay only 4% of the income taxes.
In 2005, 300,000 individuals who comprised the top tenth of 1% had nearly as much income as all 150 million Americasn who make up the economic lower half of our population. We have more in common with Brazil, Mexico and Russia. Countries where adults have the right to vote, but real political power is wielded by a relatively narrow, and rich, segment of society.

Additionally, that phenomenon has only gotten worse in the 30 years since Ronald Reagan asked "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Average income for 90% of population peaked in 1973 at $33k. By 2009 it was $29k. For each dollar earned in 2005, the top 10% got 48.5 cents. That was the top tenth's greatest share since 1929. Most of the gains were in the top half of 1%, and most of that to the top tenth of 1%.

Distribution of income does not take place in a vacuum. It is the product of government rules. No society is free of regulation. Commercial sports leagues are exempt from the laws of competition, allowing them to charge more than they could get in a free market. Movie theaters and video arcades enjoy no such protection from competition for the limited amounts people can spend on entertainment. (Also, state AGs who devote pulic resources on lawsuits on behalf of investors in Auction Rate securities -- used by wealthiest Americans. Or, the FBI devoting public resources through special unit to investigate art theft to the benefit of a tiny fraction of the population.).

The financial elitel influence politics, where presidents and governors control who is appointed to enforce and interpret rules. Rule making was transferred from kings to nobles, to merchants and corporate boards who expanded commerce in their interest.

A century ago, Congress debated economic policy by reviewing the life cycle of a cow. 15 years ago they debated whether to regulate CDOs, CDSs, et. al. (the opaque instruments which transfered billions of dollars to a tiny handful of the population, and required society to backstop insurers like AIG so those dollars could be paid off!).

So, yes, you'd expect those who influence politics and enrich themselves through the shaping of public policy to pay more tax on the outcome of that influence. Outcomes like the top 10% of the population increasing their income by 33%. Or, the top centile who increased their incomes by a whopping 100%. All at a time when the average American saw their incomes drop 10%.

Likewise, when we ask Reagan's question today (whether we're "better off than we were 30 years ago?"), we shouldn't expect to be met with screeching sophomorics about "socialism."