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Besice

join:2011-06-16
Tempe, AZ
reply to Fiftycals

Re: League of Legends

Nice Fifty. I didnt play any yet however I may get a game or two in tonight. I am actually heading to Vegas on Friday and will be gone until Monday so I wont be on for the rape over the weekend.



TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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reply to Archivis

with ambient gold increase, that seems beneficial for support champs, who aren't stealing kills from their carry (a buff for support gold, and a wash for others)

initial movement speed bonus sounds good for champs like nasus



Archivis
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Looks like with ambient gold increase and less player kill gold, you're going to see things like ARAM where there the snowballing of an enemy team can be overcome a lot easier.

This means that end-game champs will hold more value as you could just lose your early and mid game and come back later and dominate the late game by stonewalling until you get the gold, just like in ARAM.
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TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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"••Example: A player with a 4 death streak will be worth 126 gold - compared to before which required a 6 death streak"\

this IS EXCELLENT

if you have a bad on your team who is feeding, he will rapidly be worth less to the other team... excellent

feeders losing impact on game



TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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reply to Archivis

"••Example: A player with a 4 kill streak will be worth 500 gold - compared to before which required an 8 kill streak."

likewise... teams that focus killing the enemy carry, and do so effectively will be rewarded

very nice



Jobbie
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Man now I want to patch and play a couple games. LoL in small doses is good.
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join:2010-01-30
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Played against a Darius/MF top combo 2v1....man they were terrible, lol.


Goggalor
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Was there a change to life steal that I missed? It seems like it just as effective this patch...



f0rtys3ven
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Its more expensive.



Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Its more expensive.

Well, I know Riot made some of the items more expensive, but what I mean is that it just not seem to give back as much per hit as it did previously. It could just be me, though.


f0rtys3ven
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Rephrase what you are trying to say in English. First you state you didn't notice a difference than you say it felt weak.

Life steal was messed with. There is now less of it and it is more expensive. You items have less its not less effective.
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Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Rephrase what you are trying to say in English. First you state you didn't notice a difference than you say it felt weak.

Life steal was messed with. There is now less of it and it is more expensive. You items have less its not less effective.

The original post was supposed to be LESS effective. Mah bad.

Well, I was using the Ravenous Hydra for a little bit and it just did not seem to make much of a difference at 10% life steal, as compared to Wriggle's 10% before the new patch.
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f0rtys3ven
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Jungle?



Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Jungle?

Nope, just in lane as Trynd.


f0rtys3ven
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Well the effectiveness is the same. The price and quantity is different.



Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Well the effectiveness is the same. The price and quantity is different.

Huh... oh well. Thanks, mang.


f0rtys3ven
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I mean you can't really nerf the effectivness.

Its % dmg. You would have to change the DMG. You can only make the number smaller not less effective.

If that makes sense.



Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

I mean you can't really nerf the effectivness.

Its % dmg. You would have to change the DMG. You can only make the number smaller not less effective.

If that makes sense.

Well, Riot could nerf the effectiveness by allowing only a percentage of the damage done in a hit to be applied to life steal. I.E. Only 50% of a 100 damage hit would be viable for life steal, so that if you have 10% life steal, the hit would return 5 hp, instead of 10.
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f0rtys3ven
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Its bad practice to change the numbers on the back on with a community as competitive and active as LoL.

People notice. People who play non stop notice small changes. There are a good number of pro players at this point so I have faith there won't be ghost nerfs.
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Goggalor
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said by f0rtys3ven:

Its bad practice to change the numbers on the back on with a community as competitive and active as LoL.

People notice. People who play non stop notice small changes. There are a good number of pro players at this point so I have faith there won't be ghost nerfs.

You are probably right. Maybe the feeling I had was the spicy wings and spicy pizza from last night.
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f0rtys3ven
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Wiggles = 12%

Hydra = 10%

You were right and wrong.



TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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reply to Archivis

with all the changes, I think Riot is going to have their hands full balancing things/champs out again...

I don't know if it was luck of the draw or what...

did 2-3 games as garen last night, I was a freakin nightmare... felt OP

was laning against Jax at top with Garen... nunu comes out of bush to slow and gank me with Jax

2-3 seconds later.... DOUBLE KILL

LOL

This is literally 5-7 minutes in... their Ryze at mid responds "GG wtf"

lawl

i was even melting an alistar... go figure

in one game i literally had 3 of them running for their lives away from me

however, like someone said, it felt different... but the same... go figure



f0rtys3ven
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Anyone who is late game is OP right now.

You get to late game status very quickly. Think Ryze, Twitch, Vayne, Kog, Karthus.

Ambient gold too strong.



Fiftycals

join:2010-02-16
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reply to TheThing

The problem with Twitch is how bad people are with him. I agree he is a team-smasher late game... but not a lot of people know how to get to late game with him without feeding the other team. Majority of champions are positioning based champs but Twitch's positioning is less forgiving with his lack of escape (Considering his stealth is on CD after initiation) and mobility.

Easy to play, hard to master....



f0rtys3ven
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Understood but its champs like this that should be focused on until ambient gold is tuned down. Twitch with mild CS and ambient gold will get to smash status faster.

Amumu jungle gets to smash status faster.

Ryze becomes a mid god faster.

Malph becomes a god initiator faster.

These there champs can become virtually unkillable and are really really strong. Others could be Signed, Olaf, Irelia, Karthus (not unkillable but rly stupid), Swain.

You have to understand in picks that early/mid game champs can easily get slow played and crushed.
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TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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reply to Archivis

looking forward to trying mundo support this weekend...

with ambient gold increase he should be more powerful than ever

but who knows...

isn't this a buff to support champs in general?


PinkyThePig
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reply to f0rtys3ven

ambient gold was increased to 16 from 13 every 10 seconds. Also CS gold was dropped slightly to compensate. That is 18 gold a minute more which means at 20 minutes you have 360 extra gold. The minion changes just about negate themselves with siege minion last hit so can ignore those. I don't see how having an extra dagger/long sword is going to make any champ OP. If anything the ambient gold is nonrelevant and instead its the fact that dmg is cheaper with atk speed more expensive as twitch already gets some atk speed.



f0rtys3ven
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Because if you farm the same as you did before you are richer. Richer means you have more items earlier. If you play champs that peak in the late game, then you get your items to peak faster.

The champs that peak at end game peak the hardest. Ryze with 6 items is as hard to kill as a tank and can melt you. Malphite does great dmg, debuff, initiate, and becomes crazy hard to kill.

Again Twitch was just an example. If that Twitch farms the same as in season 2 he is richer at 20, 30, and 40 min. So his late game peak moves forward.

Early game champs have pretty small windows to crush opponents to stop them from coming back. The kill/death streaks are more forgiving for the bads but that also means you can take Tyrandamere to lane and its cool if you die some as long as you farm. You will get to lol mode and get a big chunk of gold when you can kill that lane opponent.
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TheThing

join:2012-08-10
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reply to Archivis

similar to WoW PvP, I have a feeling these adjustments were made because the top 1% of players had identified not exploits, but imbalances that broke the game



f0rtys3ven
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Yea they didn't fix those.

Start messing with attack move vs move / attack. You'll find what makes pros pro.